ECT Why preterism can never be taken seriously by Bible believers

[steko]

Fulfilled

Christ Jesus is the King of kings, Lord of lords over all of earth.

(Rev 1:5) and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth....

Unfulfilled.

Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

 

[patrick jane]

Unfulfilled.

Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Tell 'em steko !!!

 

[john w]

Please show me where in the Bible it says the percentage of Christians in the world will decrease?

You've been shown, sweetie, that the bible prophesises a falling away, the armies of the world, gathering against God the Father's Christ, demon, many times, and the world, as a whole, getting progressively worse, little arms one, rejecting the Christ-the reason for the second coming, you stupid, effeminate looking weasel.

What's the problem, sweetie? Don't you believe the bible/Paul/"Jesus?"

Please show me where in the Bible it says "AD 70...Jesus Christ is not a man...That there is judgment, war, heathen, nations, law, rain, plagues, pain, tears, death, crying...," in the third heaven, as you assert.

 

[tetelestai]

You appear to believe in a limited redemption

You're wrong.

Believers are redeemed by the shed blood of Christ Jesus.

I don't even know what "limited redemption" means.

and in the case of believers, you don't seem to believe in a literal resurrection of the body.

I believe a literal resurrection of believers already took place in 70AD.
Since 70AD, believers who physically die, instantly received a new glorified body, and enter the kingdom.

Yet, Paul proclaims that not only will our physical bodies be redeemed but the whole creation, as well:

Paul explains it a few verses earlier:

(Rom 8:10-11) But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

 

[tetelestai]

Unfulfilled.

Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Wrong steko.

What does "King of kings, and Lord of lords" mean?

 

[steko]

You're wrong.

Believers are redeemed by the shed blood of Christ Jesus.

I don't even know what "limited redemption" means.



I believe a literal resurrection of believers already took place in 70AD.
Since 70AD, believers who physically die, instantly received a new glorified body, and enter the kingdom.



Paul explains it a few verses earlier:

(Rom 8:10-11) But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

A mortal body is a physical body which is subject to decay and death.
Paul says in that verse that it is that same mortal body which will be given life....not another.

 

[john w]

wherein your fathers have dwelt


Well, you see, Ezekiel's fathers dwelt in heaven (spiritually)

We are all in denial..."wherein your fathers have dwelt" was fulfilled in Christ, in AD 70, Figurative.....

There-that covers everything, Mayor, as we don't need to "call the man," Craigie. I just did his work for him. Nothin' to this spam, assert, pound the table, declare "victory" thing...

 

[steko]

Wrong steko.

What does "King of kings, and Lord of lords" mean?

The name by which the Lord is called when He returns to planet earth to smite the nations and bring them into subjection:

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

 

[john w]

Nope.

All those things happened on planet earth under the OC when the nation of Israel had to beat their plowshares into swords in order to defend their kingdom.

Old Covenant - the nation of Israel was the kingdom.

New Covenant - a spiritual kingdom that is not of this world.

Made up:



Isaiah 2:4 KJV And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.


Craigie: Fulfilled!!!! No more war!!!Israel is in peace, now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Clown, as your mysticism/Budhism tries to keep afloat your satanic, made up AD 70-ism/Preterism.


" nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."


Craigie: You are all in denial!!!!


You satanic, greasy, Preterist mystic, Budhdist.

 

[tetelestai]

You've been shown, sweetie, that the bible prophesises a falling away,

It happened in 66AD

(2 Thess 2:3) Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

The Day of the Lord did not come until "the rebellion" took place.

The rebellion was the Great Jewish Revolt that began in 66AD

The Greek word in 2 Thess 2:3 is "apostasia". Josephus used the word "apostasia" to describe the Jewish Revolt.

 

[tetelestai]

The name by which the Lord is called when He returns to planet earth to smite the nations and bring them into subjection:

Already happened steko.

Also, Christ Jesus was King of kings, and Lord of lords before it happened.

 

[john w]

Fulfilled

Christ Jesus is the King of kings, Lord of lords over all of earth.

(Rev 1:5) and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth....

Made up:


Prophecy:
Zechariah 14:9 KJV And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.


1.Made up. Prove that He is King over the planet earth, and His name one, sweetie, on earth.

2. It's a prophecy, sweetie-"shall be..shall there.."

When was he not? Why? When fulfilled, sweetie, on earth? He was always King, in the third heaven, punk, and His name, one.

 

[tetelestai]

We are all in denial..."wherein your fathers have dwelt" was fulfilled in Christ, in AD 70, Figurative.....

Christ Jesus is the Promised Land.

Rest is only found in Christ Jesus, not in dirt in the Middle East.

 

[Tambora]

That wasn't the only event that took place. As I have told you, many events took place during those days up to and including 70AD.

Josephus and Tacitus wrote of chariots being seen in the clouds. The Jewish and Babylonian Talmud's tell us there were all kinds of strange phenomena that took place.

You dismiss all of these claims because they cause problems for your Dispensationalism.

None of which claim it was the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Tambora]

Christ Jesus is the Promised Land.

Rest is only found in Christ Jesus, not in dirt in the Middle East.

Was it not God Himself that led them to that dirt in the Middle East that He promised?

 

[Nang]

Was it not God Himself that led them to that dirt in the Middle East that He promised?

Which time?

 

[tetelestai]

None of which claim it was the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Says you.

(Isaiah 19:1) See, the Lord rides on a swift cloud
and is coming to Egypt....

Did the Lord literally come to Egypt in the above verse?

Did the Lord literally ride a cloud?

Or, does the verse describe the judgment that came upon Egypt from the Assyrian army?

 

[tetelestai]

Was it not God Himself that led them to that dirt in the Middle East that He promised?

Yes, and Joshua tells us those promises from God were fulfilled.

 

[tetelestai]

Was it not God Himself that led them to that dirt in the Middle East that He promised?

(Heb 4:8) For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day.

Only in Christ Jesus can there be rest.

 

[john w]

It happened in 66AD

(2 Thess 2:3) Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

The Day of the Lord did not come until "the rebellion" took place.

The rebellion was the Great Jewish Revolt that began in 66AD

The Greek word in 2 Thess 2:3 is "apostasia". Josephus used the word "apostasia" to describe the Jewish Revolt.

The above was plagiarized from Gentry.

Made up. The bible talks about the world at large, rejecting the LORD God, and the Christ.


Don't you believe the bible, sweetie?

How did you get so stupid?


"The Greek...."-little arms Craigie

"aint"-this thread, Craigie

Before we go further, you deceitful fraud:

- tell us on record, that you can read/write/spell/speak/understand "the Greek"
-identify this "the Greek."


If you do not, as I've asked you, for years, that you are exposed, once again, as a charlatan, and plagiarizer.