Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized! Part 4

[aCultureWarrior]

3. Repeal all state laws prohibiting solicitation for private voluntary sexual liaisons; and laws prohibiting prostitution, both male and female.

7. Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent.

The 1972 Gay Rights Platform
http://www.rslevinson.com/gaylesissues/features/collect/onetime/bl_platform1972.htm

California decriminalizes prostitution for minors after Gov. Jerry Brown signs bills to aid trafficking victims

Sept. 26, 2016

Gov. Jerry Brown on Monday signed more than half a dozen*bills that decriminalize prostitution and*increase protections for young trafficking victims in court*amid growing*efforts in California to help children and young adults swept*into*the trade of forced sex and labor.
Among the bills passed were laws that would*prohibit the*disclosure of*victims'*personal information, provide victims' services*to trafficking*witnesses*and*allow minors under age 16 to testify through closed-circuit televisions in certain cases.
But also approved were hotly*contested bills*that would*decriminalize prostitution and*allow human trafficking victims to vacate prior convictions and seal their records.
Senate Bill 1322,*authored by Sen. Holly Mitchell*(D-Los Angeles), make*the crimes of solicitation and loitering with intent to commit prostitution misdemeanors inapplicable to children younger than 18.*It also allows law enforcement to take sexually exploited children into temporary custody -- only if leaving them*unattended would pose an immediate threat to their health or safety...
But opponents argued the state lacks the network of social services to protect them. Vulnerable minors, they said,*often don’t see themselves as victims, run away from unsecured shelters and remain tied to their traffickers through complicated psychological and emotional bonds.
Read more: http://www.latimes.com/politics/ess...alizes-prostitution-1474918476-htmlstory.html

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CWA (Concerned Women for America) has written several articles on the topic, I'll come back later with their response to the decriminalization of both child and adult prostitution.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

More on the decriminalization of child prostitution/prostitution in the land of fruits and nuts, California.

Of course the proponents of the bill say 'It's for the children', but remember that CA is one of several states that doesn't allow children to seek therapy for their sexual and gender confusion, even if the child wants the therapy.

Concerned Women for America (CWA) has a couple of articles on the subject of decriminalizing child prostitution and prostitution in general. The first is a short article and the 2nd is a pdf article 26 pages long.


Opinion: Why Decriminalize Child Prostitution?

March 10, 2011

Believe it or not, the average age for a girl entering prostitution is 13 years old, and the average age is declining as buyers want younger and younger children. Nobody knows exactly how many kids end up being sold for sexual services, but the number is in the multiple thousands and the problem grows bigger and expands to more cities and towns every year. But even one child victim is one too many. Decent people are appalled and want to stop this outrage.
However, one “good sounding” solution that many states are considering will surely produce unintended negative consequences that will make things worse.
Compassionate people are being lured into the idea of decriminalizing child prostitution. The argument goes that children shouldn’t be arrested, because that only punishes the children twice. Instead, they should be sent to shelters. Four states – Washington, Illinois, Connecticut and New York – have already passed decriminalization laws. Others are considering it.
The problem with this well-intentioned change is that it won’t end the exploitation but will likely make it worse, by removing the only safe and secure protection these vulnerable children have from the pimps – being arrested and placed under the protective custody of law enforcement.
Ask rescued children – even those who initially parrot back the “safe harbor” language that some rescue organizations are teaching them – and many will say that their arrest is the only reason they are alive today.
Here are the main problems with decriminalization:

It makes it possible for pimps to tell children that law enforcement can’t touch them and won’t help them. Sexually exploited children are victims, frequently beaten, injured and abused, neglected and in need of rescuing from pimps, johns and sometimes themselves. Decriminalizing child prostitution does not pave the road to rescue and rehabilitation; instead it could make that road more difficult.
There aren’t sufficient shelters or programs to handle all the victims. Removing legal barriers will not build more shelters, but it will create a great atmosphere for exploiters to coerce more victims. Without sufficient shelters to care for victims and without laws to remove children from prostitution, what will happen to these minors? Where will they go? Without legal means, will the police be more or less likely to look for them?
The children would be free to walk. Without criminal charges, participation in shelter and treatment programs would be voluntary; they are free to walk out at any time, if there is even a shelter for them to go to in the first place. Many minors in prostitution do not see themselves as victims, either because they believe they are in a love relationship with their pimp or because they do not have a pimp. In fact, a study published by the University of New Hampshire in 2010 showed 31 percent of the minors arrested for prostitution were solo, they had no exploiter.
It limits solutions to the problem. Keeping prostitution criminalized gives one more tool to law enforcement and the judiciary to combat prostitution and sex trafficking, as well as find help for the victims. It gives the police access to the victims and the legal right to remove minors from the situation where they are being prostituted. Some victims readily accept help and treatment, while others do not.
We believe in keeping the prostitution laws in place, even for minors, but adding an affirmative defense to the law and allowing prosecutors and judges the option of diverting minors into services, such as medical or counseling, while their cases are pending.

Read more: http://concernedwomen.org/opinion-why-decriminalize-child-prostitution/

Here is the link to the 26 page pdf article entitled:

Children in Prostitution: How many are there and what to do?
http://concernedwomen.org/wp-conten...nalization-of-Prostitution-for-Minors2012.pdf

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[aCultureWarrior]

Pro human rights is what it would 'make anyone'.

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...ized!-Part-4&p=4822863&viewfull=1#post4822863

I know that you're very busy defending homosexuality in another thread, so I won't keep you long. Can you tell me where the foundation of these "human rights" come from?

In other words, who or what gives humans the (supposed) "right" to engage in an unnatural, disease ridden yet changeable behavior such as homosexuality?

Regarding my last post on the decriminalization of prostitution (which I'm surprised that your good buddy from CA annabenedetti didn't weigh in on) : who or what gives humans the (supposed) "right" to sell their bodies for sex?

http://blog.acton.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/sex-workers-rights-300x200.jpg

 

[aCultureWarrior]

What a fraud Donald Trump is:

Trump broke Cuban embargo, report says

Sept. 29, 2016

Donald Trump’s hotel and casino company secretly spent money trying to do business in Cuba in violation of the U.S. trade embargo, Newsweek reported Thursday in a story that could endanger the Republican presidential nominee’s Cuban-American support in South Florida.
Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts paid at least $68,000 to a consulting firm in late 1998 in an attempt to give Trump’s business a head start in Cuba if the U.S. loosened or lifted trade sanctions, according to the front-page Newsweek report, titled “The Castro Connection.” The consulting firm, Seven Arrows Investment and Development Corp., later instructed the casino company on how to make it look like legal spending for charity.

The following year, Trump flirted with a Reform Party presidential run, giving a November 1999 speech to the Cuban American National Foundation in Miami where he cast himself as a pro-embargo hardliner who refused to do potentially lucrative business on the communist island until Fidel Castro was gone

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/pol...ald-trump/article104851671.html#storylink=cpy

Donald Trump will do anything for a buck, even sell out those who are enslaved in communist countries.

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Trump-and-Castro-410x220.png

 

[patrick jane]

Nobody cares

 

[Crucible]

aCW does no fact checking whatsoever- he just absorbs anything that is friendly to his bias and that's it

 

[MrDante]

3. Repeal all state laws prohibiting solicitation for private voluntary sexual liaisons; and laws prohibiting prostitution, both male and female.

7. Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent.

The 1972 Gay Rights Platform
http://www.rslevinson.com/gaylesissues/features/collect/onetime/bl_platform1972.htm

you're kidding :rotfl:

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior

Trump broke Cuban embargo, report says
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/pol...ald-trump/article104851671.html#storylink=cpy

Nobody cares

Quite a few South Floridian Cubans who fled Fidel Castro's tyranny just might care when election day comes.

Fidel Castro’s greatest atrocities and crimes – Part 1

Fidel Castro’s firing squads in Cuba
Fidel Castro is often portrayed as the “benevolent” dictator of Cuba, such portrayals are unarguably wrong. The evidence of his bloodthirsty and murderous nature is unequivocal and available for anyone who wants to know the truth. Unfortunately such evidence is rarely discussed by the news media and at schools. There’s perhaps no more grizzly atrocity committed by Fidel Castro than the firing squads which he implemented. Beginning as a rebel, before he would eventually take power in Cuba, Fidel Castro used firing squad executions to enforce discipline, punish followers deemed disloyal or intimidate potential opposition. At the beginning of the Castro regime there was a reign of terror typical of revolutions in which the firing squad was used prominently but the executions continued for decades.

The Cuba Archive which documents deaths and disappearances resulting from Fidel Castro’s Cuban revolution has documented 3,615 firing squad executions conducted by the Cuban state since Castro took over on January 1, 1959.

Read more: http://babalublog.com/fidel-castros...d-crimes/fidel-castros-firing-squads-in-cuba/

Castro sounds like Trump's kinda guy.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

aCW does no fact checking whatsoever- he just absorbs anything that is friendly to his bias and that's it

Is there a particular post that you have issue with?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

3. Repeal all state laws prohibiting solicitation for private voluntary sexual liaisons; and laws prohibiting prostitution, both male and female.

7. Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent.

The 1972 Gay Rights Platform
http://www.rslevinson.com/gaylesissues/features/collect/onetime/bl_platform1972.htm

you're kidding :rotfl:

It was a lead-in to the decriminalization of child prostitution/prostitution in general in CA. Care to discuss?

 

[Arthur Brain]

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...ized!-Part-4&p=4822863&viewfull=1#post4822863

I know that you're very busy defending homosexuality in another thread, so I won't keep you long. Can you tell me where the foundation of these "human rights" come from?

In other words, who or what gives humans the (supposed) "right" to engage in an unnatural, disease ridden yet changeable behavior such as homosexuality?

Regarding my last post on the decriminalization of prostitution (which I'm surprised that your good buddy from CA annabenedetti didn't weigh in on) : who or what gives humans the (supposed) "right" to sell their bodies for sex?

Eh, according to certain crackpot zealots, nobody would have the right to any sort of private or sexual life outside of 'traditional marriage' so thankfully we don't live in some barmy police/theocratic state where nutballs like you could take away the rights of people afforded under law. There's a strong case to be made for legalizing prostitution as has been argued on this forum already, if you can take your 'moral sensibilities' out of the equation for a moment...

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
...Can you tell me where the foundation of these "human rights" come from?

In other words, who or what gives humans the (supposed) "right" to engage in an unnatural, disease ridden yet changeable behavior such as homosexuality?

Regarding my last post on the decriminalization of prostitution (which I'm surprised that your good buddy from CA annabenedetti didn't weigh in on) : who or what gives humans the (supposed) "right" to sell their bodies for sex?

Eh, according to certain crackpot zealots, nobody would have the right to any sort of private or sexual life outside of 'traditional marriage' so thankfully we don't live in some barmy police/theocratic state where nutballs like you could take away the rights of people afforded under law.

I must have missed your answer to my question, so here it is again:

Who or what gives humans the (supposed) "right" to engage in an unnatural, disease ridden yet changeable behavior such as homosexuality?

Who or what gives humans the (supposed) "right" to sell their bodies for sex?

There's a strong case to be made for legalizing prostitution as has been argued on this forum already, if you can take your 'moral sensibilities' out of the equation for a moment...

Being that I care about my fellow human beings and don't want something as beautiful as sex to be used in a cheap way, it's difficult for me to take my 'moral sensibilities' out of a discussion that destroys lives.

That being said, we're not only talking about the decriminalization of adult prostitution, but the decriminalization of child prostitution as well.

Make your "strong case".

 

[MrDante]

But also approved were hotly*contested bills*that would*decriminalize prostitution and*allow human trafficking victims to vacate prior convictions and seal their records.
Senate Bill 1322,*authored by Sen. Holly Mitchell*(D-Los Angeles), make*the crimes of solicitation and loitering with intent to commit prostitution misdemeanors inapplicable to children younger than 18.*It also allows law enforcement to take sexually exploited children into temporary custody -- only if leaving them*unattended would pose an immediate threat to their health or safety...

Any honest person would read this law and think it is a good thing that the exploited and trapped children can no longer face criminal charges when forced to prostitute themselves.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Any honest person would read this law and think it is a good thing that the exploited and trapped children can no longer face criminal charges when forced to prostitute themselves.

From the CWA article:

Here are the main problems with decriminalization:

It makes it possible for pimps to tell children that law enforcement can’t touch them and won’t help them. Sexually exploited children are victims, frequently beaten, injured and abused, neglected and in need of rescuing from pimps, johns and sometimes themselves. Decriminalizing child prostitution does not pave the road to rescue and rehabilitation; instead it could make that road more difficult.
There aren’t sufficient shelters or programs to handle all the victims. Removing legal barriers will not build more shelters, but it will create a great atmosphere for exploiters to coerce more victims. Without sufficient shelters to care for victims and without laws to remove children from prostitution, what will happen to these minors? Where will they go? Without legal means, will the police be more or less likely to look for them?
The children would be free to walk. Without criminal charges, participation in shelter and treatment programs would be voluntary; they are free to walk out at any time, if there is even a shelter for them to go to in the first place. Many minors in prostitution do not see themselves as victims, either because they believe they are in a love relationship with their pimp or because they do not have a pimp. In fact, a study published by the University of New Hampshire in 2010 showed 31 percent of the minors arrested for prostitution were solo, they had no exploiter.
It limits solutions to the problem. Keeping prostitution criminalized gives one more tool to law enforcement and the judiciary to combat prostitution and sex trafficking, as well as find help for the victims. It gives the police access to the victims and the legal right to remove minors from the situation where they are being prostituted. Some victims readily accept help and treatment, while others do not.
We believe in keeping the prostitution laws in place, even for minors, but adding an affirmative defense to the law and allowing prosecutors and judges the option of diverting minors into services, such as medical or counseling, while their cases are pending.
http://concernedwomen.org/opinion-why-decriminalize-child-prostitution/

Care to address the above?

 

[MrDante]

From the CWA article:

Here are the main problems with decriminalization:

It makes it possible for pimps to tell children that law enforcement can’t touch them and won’t help them.

What a stupid thing to say. Of course the law enforcement can touch them and they will help them. Removing the fear of arrest and prosecution will only encourage these kids to seek out the police.

There aren’t sufficient shelters or programs to handle all the victims.

So noone should be able to get out of prostitution and off the streets?

Removing legal barriers will not build more shelters, but it will create a great atmosphere for exploiters to coerce more victims.

You notice the CWA doesn't say how or provide any evidence to back up their claims

Without sufficient shelters to care for victims and without laws to remove children from prostitution, what will happen to these minors? Where will they go? Without legal means, will the police be more or less likely to look for them?

One would think that the CWA would be addressing this issue rather than working so hard to protect the ones exploiting the children and protecting the johns that buy these kids.

The children would be free to walk. Without criminal charges, participation in shelter and treatment programs would be voluntary; they are free to walk out at any time, if there is even a shelter for them to go to in the first place. Many minors in prostitution do not see themselves as victims, either because they believe they are in a love relationship with their pimp or because they do not have a pimp.

and here they show that their organization is there to promote child abuse.

In fact, a study published by the University of New Hampshire in 2010 showed 31 percent of the minors arrested for prostitution were solo, they had no exploiter.

no, the study said that these kids wouldn't name their exploiter


I'm left wondering how arresting these kids helped them.

It limits solutions to the problem. Keeping prostitution criminalized gives one more tool to law enforcement and the judiciary to combat prostitution and sex trafficking, as well as find help for the victims.

It still is illegal

It gives the police access to the victims and the legal right to remove minors from the situation where they are being prostituted.

The police can remove minors from potentially dangerous or threatening situations.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
From the CWA article:

Here are the main problems with decriminalization:

It makes it possible for pimps to tell children that law enforcement can’t touch them and won’t help them.

What a stupid thing to say. Of course the law enforcement can touch them and they will help them. Removing the fear of arrest and prosecution will only encourage these kids to seek out the police.

"...only if leaving them*unattended would pose an immediate threat to their health or safety...
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...ized!-Part-4&p=4825122&viewfull=1#post4825122

There would be no grounds for a police officer to take a 13 year old girl prostituting herself on a street corner into custody because the officer wouldn't be able to prove that "leaving her unattended would pose an immediate threat to her health or safety."


Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
There aren’t sufficient shelters or programs to handle all the victims.

So noone should be able to get out of prostitution and off the streets?

No law would be in place to force that child prostitute into a shelter and keep him or her there.

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Removing legal barriers will not build more shelters, but it will create a great atmosphere for exploiters to coerce more victims.

You notice the CWA doesn't say how or provide any evidence to back up their claims

See my answer below.


Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Without sufficient shelters to care for victims and without laws to remove children from prostitution, what will happen to these minors? Where will they go? Without legal means, will the police be more or less likely to look for them?

One would think that the CWA would be addressing this issue rather than working so hard to protect the ones exploiting the children and protecting the johns that buy these kids.

Taking law enforcement out of the equation (except for in extenuating circumstances which I addressed above) is not the answer to helping these confused children.

Quote: Originally posted by aCutlureWarrior
The children would be free to walk. Without criminal charges, participation in shelter and treatment programs would be voluntary; they are free to walk out at any time, if there is even a shelter for them to go to in the first place. Many minors in prostitution do not see themselves as victims, either because they believe they are in a love relationship with their pimp or because they do not have a pimp.

and here they show that their organization is there to promote child abuse.

Let me put it in terms that the LGBTQueer so-called 'community' can understand.

Ya know all of those underage teenage boys that HRC founder Terry Bean allegedly raped at his condo? Without laws criminalizing prostitution those boys wouldn't be taken into custody and help society rid itself of child predators like Bean.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
It limits solutions to the problem. Keeping prostitution criminalized gives one more tool to law enforcement and the judiciary to combat prostitution and sex trafficking, as well as find help for the victims.

It still is illegal

I was running short on time earlier today and wanted to address the above.

Decriminalization invariably leads to legalization, be it with recreational drugs, homosexuality and in this case prostitution.

If (more like when) that happens, two more planks on the 1972 "gay agenda" will have been fulfilled:

2. Repeal of all state laws prohibiting private sexual acts involving consenting persons; equalization for homosexuals and heterosexuals for the enforcement of all laws.

7. Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent.
http://www.rslevinson.com/gaylesissues/features/collect/onetime/bl_platform1972.htm

 

[MrDante]

Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
From the CWA article:

Here are the main problems with decriminalization:

It makes it possible for pimps to tell children that law enforcement can’t touch them and won’t help them.



"...only if leaving them*unattended would pose an immediate threat to their health or safety...
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...ized!-Part-4&p=4825122&viewfull=1#post4825122

There would be no grounds for a police officer to take a 13 year old girl prostituting herself on a street corner into custody because the officer wouldn't be able to prove that "leaving her unattended would pose an immediate threat to her health or safety."

what garbage.

Let me put it in terms that the LGBTQueer so-called 'community' can understand.

Ya know all of those underage teenage boys that HRC founder Terry Bean allegedly raped at his condo? Without laws criminalizing prostitution those boys wouldn't be taken into custody and help society rid itself of child predators like Bean.

and the Terry Bean lie again. :yawn: get some new material already

 

[MrDante]

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
It limits solutions to the problem. Keeping prostitution criminalized gives one more tool to law enforcement and the judiciary to combat prostitution and sex trafficking, as well as find help for the victims.



I was running short on time earlier today and wanted to address the above.

Decriminalization invariably leads to legalization, be it with recreational drugs, homosexuality and in this case prostitution.

If (more like when) that happens, two more planks on the 1972 "gay agenda" will have been fulfilled:

2. Repeal of all state laws prohibiting private sexual acts involving consenting persons; equalization for homosexuals and heterosexuals for the enforcement of all laws.

7. Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent.
http://www.rslevinson.com/gaylesissues/features/collect/onetime/bl_platform1972.htm

who wrote this "gay agenda" thing again?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Let me put it in terms that the LGBTQueer so-called 'community' can understand.

Ya know all of those underage teenage boys that HRC founder Terry Bean allegedly raped at his condo? Without laws criminalizing prostitution those boys wouldn't be taken into custody and help society rid itself of child predators like Bean.

...and the Terry Bean lie again. :yawn: get some new material already

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdpQ4SOVMoQ