Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized! Part 3

[aCultureWarrior]

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
That term covers a wide spectrum. Those who are socialists, for illegal immigration and pro recreational drug legalization fit into that category as well. As my signature shows, the term sexual anarchy is quite descriptive.

Sin is sin.

Welcome to the politics forum of TOL IMJ. Various sinful behavior is punished different than others in a society. The armed robber is punished more severely than the shoplifter.

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
One battle at a time has to be fought in this culture war.

We're not in a culture war. We're in a war against evil.

Then use all of the tools that God gave man (righteous laws being one of them) to control evil.


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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Concentrate on the one that is currently being fought, not those that have already been lost.

If we keep our focus on our witness and the spread of the Gospel, all aspects of evil will be fought.

I'm getting really tired of saying this, but:

How's that working out with abortion?

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Also keep in mind that one not need believe in God to acknowledge that homosexuality is a not only a pubic health issue, but a threat to innocent children and our society's most valuable institutions (those who are secular can become allies of believers in this culture war).

Again, it's not a culture war and there are many secular folk who are good, who live good lives despite not being believers. Even non believers understand the difference between right and wrong, good and evil.

They borrow off of Judeo-Christian doctrine. Regarding the term that you seem to have a problem with:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_war


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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
If you're a junky, a hooker or have sex with a bisexual male, you have to worry about AIDS. Other than that, AIDS is pretty much a homosexual disease.

I don't believe that is a correct statement or AIDS testing would not be standard for pregnant women and the CDC would not recommend it for annual physicals.

AIDS testing is standard for pregnant women? Where on earth did you ever come up with that?

The CDC recommends that those who engage in homosexual behavior get tested for HIV regularly.

Your ignorance on this subject is embarrassing IMJ.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I keep asking aCW where he and his were the past 4 decades, when it would have been far, far easier to prevent the crisis than to deal with it when it is now set in stone.

Excellent point GFR7: Where were you Christians when all of this was happening?

As far as me:

Let me put it this way GFR7:

I wasn't running around promoting this message:

Originally Posted by GFR7

Well, after encountering a certain extremist mindset of a particular poster here -whose explosion terrified me and taught me a lesson - I am now convinced that a gradual counter-educational movement is the answer.

1.. There can be LGBTQ taught in schools, but there must be a counter-teaching just as available and just as strong.

2. People have a right to ban reparative therapy, but a counter-movement has a right to promote it and to fight to repeal those bans.

3. Some Christian Churches want to accept gays, but there must be prominent groups who refuse to do so.

4. Media and entertainment can promote gays, but there must be strong media and film venues which are allowed to show the opposing side.

5. Rules to protect minors must be enforced (vis a vis certain displays at Pride displays) without ruling out the parades altogether.

My question to you is this GFR7:

Why on earth would someone who knows the problem that currently exists use something as asinine as the above as a way to defeat the homosexual movement?

 

[GFR7]

Excellent point GFR7: Where were you Christians when all of this was happening?

As far as me:

Let me put it this way GFR7:

I wasn't running around promoting this message:

Originally Posted by GFR7

Well, after encountering a certain extremist mindset of a particular poster here -whose explosion terrified me and taught me a lesson - I am now convinced that a gradual counter-educational movement is the answer.

1.. There can be LGBTQ taught in schools, but there must be a counter-teaching just as available and just as strong.

2. People have a right to ban reparative therapy, but a counter-movement has a right to promote it and to fight to repeal those bans.

3. Some Christian Churches want to accept gays, but there must be prominent groups who refuse to do so.

4. Media and entertainment can promote gays, but there must be strong media and film venues which are allowed to show the opposing side.

5. Rules to protect minors must be enforced (vis a vis certain displays at Pride displays) without ruling out the parades altogether.

My question to you is this GFR7:

Why on earth would someone who knows the problem that currently exists use something as asinine as the above as a way to defeat the homosexual movement?

I did not always adhere to such a gradual and incremental program.

But things have gone way too far (the MassRessistance video on SammyT's thread today shows the source from which this phenomenum has spread ) for any simple reversal at present, and certainly for a legislative one: The legislation has moved in the opposite direction, as all can see.

Certain remedies must be applied at the outset: When the opposition is small, and before the mass of people have bowed to a public campaign.

Where was I when these incremental changes began to creep up? I was trusting that social conservatives with political power would prevent them from becoming deeply rooted. I was wrong.

Do you realize at this juncture, even my half-wit plan may no longer be doable? :think: It's gone that far. We would be lucky at this point if we could have even half of my plan implemented.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Excellent point GFR7: Where were you Christians when all of this was happening?

As far as me:

Let me put it this way GFR7:

I wasn't running around promoting this message:...

My question to you is this GFR7:

Why on earth would someone who knows the problem that currently exists use something as asinine as the above as a way to defeat the homosexual movement?

I did not always adhere to such a gradual and incremental program.

You homosexual activists crack me up GFR7; you come into a Christian conservative website and think that you can use a different ploy to fool people. Granted, you have fooled a few, but that's why I'm here to expose you.

But things have gone way too far (the MassRessistance video on SammyT's thread today shows the source from which this phenomenum has spread ) for any simple reversal at present, and certainly for a legislative one: The legislation has moved in the opposite direction, as all can see.

Where is Sammy and how come he won't debate me? Yet another one that has come into a Christian conservative website to fool those into thinking that using righteous laws aren't necessary to combat the homosexual agenda.

Certain remedies must be applied at the outset: When the opposition is small, and before the mass of people have bowed to a public campaign.

Where was I when these incremental changes began to creep up? I was trusting that social conservatives with political power would prevent them from becoming deeply rooted. I was wrong.

Do you realize at this juncture, even my half-wit plan may no longer be doable? :think: It's gone that far. We would be lucky at this point if we could have even half of my plan implemented.

So this (in your sick and twisted mind) was at one time a valid way to combat the homosexual agenda?

Originally Posted by GFR7

1.. There can be LGBTQ taught in schools, but there must be a counter-teaching just as available and just as strong.

2. People have a right to ban reparative therapy, but a counter-movement has a right to promote it and to fight to repeal those bans.

3. Some Christian Churches want to accept gays, but there must be prominent groups who refuse to do so.

4. Media and entertainment can promote gays, but there must be strong media and film venues which are allowed to show the opposing side.

5. Rules to protect minors must be enforced (vis a vis certain displays at Pride displays) without ruling out the parades altogether.


Now that it isn't "doable" (as if it ever were, because you don't fight evil by allowing it to publically promote itself), what's your next plan of action Bruth?

 

[GFR7]

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Excellent point GFR7: Where were you Christians when all of this was happening?

As far as me:

Let me put it this way GFR7:

I wasn't running around promoting this message:...

My question to you is this GFR7:

Why on earth would someone who knows the problem that currently exists use something as asinine as the above as a way to defeat the homosexual movement?



You homosexual activists crack me up GFR7; you come into a Christian conservative website and think that you can use a different ploy to fool people. Granted, you have fooled a few, but that's why I'm here to expose you.



Where is Sammy and how come he won't debate me? Yet another one that has come into a Christian conservative website to fool those into thinking that using righteous laws aren't necessary to combat the homosexual agenda.



So this (in your sick and twisted mind) was at one time a valid way to combat the homosexual agenda?

Originally Posted by GFR7

1.. There can be LGBTQ taught in schools, but there must be a counter-teaching just as available and just as strong.

2. People have a right to ban reparative therapy, but a counter-movement has a right to promote it and to fight to repeal those bans.

3. Some Christian Churches want to accept gays, but there must be prominent groups who refuse to do so.

4. Media and entertainment can promote gays, but there must be strong media and film venues which are allowed to show the opposing side.

5. Rules to protect minors must be enforced (vis a vis certain displays at Pride displays) without ruling out the parades altogether.


Now that it isn't "doable" (as if it ever were, because you don't fight evil by allowing it to publically promote itself), what's your next plan of action Bruth?

I don't understand who/what you think I am.
Who/what do you think I am? :think:

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I don't understand who/what you think I am.
Who/what do you think I am? :think:

I know who are you. Anyone with an ounce of common sense had you figured out long ago.

I really do look forward to putting your posts in the table of contents when the time comes...oh do I ever.

Speaking of which: the first 20 pages should be done sometime later today.

 

[GFR7]

I know who are you. Anyone with an ounce of common sense had you figured out long ago.

I really do look forward to putting your posts in the table of contents when the time comes...oh do I ever.

Speaking of which: the first 20 pages should be done sometime later today.

Well, it is going to be a very strange expose indeed :think:

Who am I? :think:

 

[aCultureWarrior]

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior st
I know who are you. Anyone with an ounce of common sense had you figured out long ago.

I really do look forward to putting your posts in the table of contents when the time comes...oh do I ever.

Speaking of which: the first 20 pages should be done sometime later today

Well, it is going to be a very strange expose indeed :think:

It was done long ago. Tell Sammy that it's his turn.

Who am I? :think:

You're one of the many lost souls (actually, less than 2% of the population) who is living a 'deathstyle': someone who will die either from AIDS or other STD's that run rampant in the "community" that you represent, or at the hands of a homosexual 'lover' (most likely someone that you met in a public restroom toilet stall). You might even make the mistake of doing what a 18 year old did (as shown a few pages back).

On that note: I'll just give you a nice "smile and wink" and...

move on.

 

[GFR7]

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior st
I know who are you. Anyone with an ounce of common sense had you figured out long ago.

I really do look forward to putting your posts in the table of contents when the time comes...oh do I ever.

Speaking of which: the first 20 pages should be done sometime later today



It was done long ago. Tell Sammy that it's his turn.



You're one of the many lost souls (actually, less than 2% of the population) who is living a 'deathstyle': someone who will die either from AIDS or other STD's that run rampant in the "community" that you represent, or at the hands of a homosexual 'lover' (most likely someone that you met in a public restroom toilet stall). You might even make the mistake of doing what a 18 year old did (as shown a few pages back).

On that note: I'll just give you a nice "smile and wink" and...

move on.

What a foolish man you are. You don't know who you're talking to. I am the furthest thing from what you are thinking. :chuckle: ( But mayhap you have me confused with my cousin, who really is living the death-style :think: )

 

[Heterodoxical]

I know who are you. Anyone with an ounce of common sense had you figured out long ago.

I really do look forward to putting your posts in the table of contents when the time comes...oh do I ever.

Speaking of which: the first 20 pages should be done sometime later today.

The red letters, automatically disqualify anything you say when those are in a sentence from your person.

 

[IMJerusha]

Welcome to the politics forum of TOL IMJ. Various sinful behavior is punished different than others in a society. The armed robber is punished more severely than the shoplifter.

I don't care where we're posting. It's the faith that defines us, not secular society, not our politic.

Then use all of the tools that God gave man (righteous laws being one of them) to control evil.

Man's law isn't righteous and not everyone recognizes God's Law.

I'm getting really tired of saying this, but:

How's that working out with abortion?

Each person is responsible for their own sin. Will God hold a woman accountable for another woman's abortion?

They borrow off of Judeo-Christian doctrine. Regarding the term that you seem to have a problem with:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_war

And from that page: "In American usage the term culture war is used to claim that there is a conflict between those values considered traditionalist or conservative and those considered progressive or liberal."
The reason I have a problem with the words "Culture war" is for precisely what I posted before. Our values aren't traditionalist or conservative, they're Christian. Not every traditionalist is a Christian. Not every conservative is a Christian. Our values were given to us by God and that is what sets us apart from everyone else.

AIDS testing is standard for pregnant women? Where on earth did you ever come up with that?

From the CDC:

"For pregnant women:

HIV screening should be included in the routine panel of prenatal screening tests for all pregnant women.
HIV screening is recommended after the patient is notified that testing will be performed unless the patient declines (opt-out screening).
Separate written consent for HIV testing should not be required; general consent for medical care should be considered sufficient to encompass consent for HIV testing.
Repeat screening in the third trimester is recommended in certain jurisdictions with elevated rates of HIV infection among pregnant women."

The CDC recommends that those who engage in homosexual behavior get tested for HIV regularly.

This is true but they also recommend that all heterosexuals consider HIV testing as part of their annual physicals.
https://www.zocdoc.com/answers/4103/do-doctors-check-for-hiv-during-ones-physical

Your ignorance on this subject is embarrassing IMJ.

Gee, I'm sorry you feel that way.

 

[aikido7]

Conservative Christians draw lines between things they deem need to be separate (Like the Holiness Code in the Old Testament--the legalistic attempt to separate the clean from the unclean like the Jews did).

Those who seem to be members of an emergent faith try to remove barriers that should have never been erected in the first place.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Welcome to the politics forum of TOL IMJ. Various sinful behavior is punished different than others in a society. The armed robber is punished more severely than the shoplifter.

I don't care where we're posting. It's the faith that defines us, not secular society, not our politic.

My point is that not all sins are seen as equal, nor should they be. Why do you think homosexuality was considered a capital crime at one time in history and throughout the history of Christianized western civilization those who engaged in it were often times charged with a felony?


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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Then use all of the tools that God gave man (righteous laws being one of them) to control evil.

Man's law isn't righteous and not everyone recognizes God's Law.

But God did ordain the civil magistrate as one of three institutions (along with the church and family) to govern mankind. Surely you're not an anarchist who is against using righteous laws to govern are you IMJ?


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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
I'm getting really tired of saying this, but:

How's that working out with abortion?

Each person is responsible for their own sin. Will God hold a woman accountable for another woman's abortion?

Then why have laws?


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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
They borrow off of Judeo-Christian doctrine. Regarding the term that you seem to have a problem with:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_war

And from that page: "In American usage the term culture war is used to claim that there is a conflict between those values considered traditionalist or conservative and those considered progressive or liberal."
The reason I have a problem with the words "Culture war" is for precisely what I posted before. Our values aren't traditionalist or conservative, they're Christian. Not every traditionalist is a Christian. Not every conservative is a Christian. Our values were given to us by God and that is what sets us apart from everyone else.

Where do you think traditional/conservative values come from (I'll give you a hint: The Holy Bible). Get used to the term culture war, as it is "a war between conflicting ideas and beliefs of society's moral codes."
http://culture-war.info/

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
AIDS testing is standard for pregnant women? Where on earth did you ever come up with that?

From the CDC:

"For pregnant women:

HIV screening should be included in the routine panel of prenatal screening tests for all pregnant women.
HIV screening is recommended after the patient is notified that testing will be performed unless the patient declines (opt-out screening).
Separate written consent for HIV testing should not be required; general consent for medical care should be considered sufficient to encompass consent for HIV testing.
Repeat screening in the third trimester is recommended in certain jurisdictions with elevated rates of HIV infection among pregnant women."

"Behaviors that put you at risk for HIV include having vaginal or anal sex without a condom or without being on medicines that prevent or treat HIV, or sharing injection drug equipment with someone who has HIV. If you answer yes to any of the following questions, you should definitely get an HIV test:
Have you had sex with someone who is HIV-positive or whose status you didn’t know since your last HIV test?
Have you injected drugs (including steroids, hormones, or silicone) and shared equipment (or works, such as needles and syringes) with others?
Have you exchanged sex for drugs or money?
Have you been diagnosed with or sought treatment for a sexually transmitted disease, like syphilis?
Have you been diagnosed with or sought treatment for hepatitis or tuberculosis (TB)?
Have you had sex with someone who could answer yes to any of the above questions or someone whose history you don’t know?

If you continue having unsafe sex or sharing injection drug equipment, you should get tested at least once a year. Sexually active gay and bisexual men may benefit from more frequent testing (e.g., every 3 to 6 months).

You should also get tested if
You have been sexually assaulted.
You are a woman who is planning to get pregnant or who is pregnant."
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/testing.html

Do the women in your church "get tested" IMJ? Should my wife and I "get tested" IMJ, after all, according to the CDC, having vaginal sex without a condom can be risky.

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Your ignorance on this subject is embarrassing IMJ.

Gee, I'm sorry you feel that way.

I'm here to educate the uninformed.

 

[Arthur Brain]

What a foolish man you are. You don't know who you're talking to. I am the furthest thing from what you are thinking. :chuckle: ( But mayhap you have me confused with my cousin, who really is living the death-style :think: )

He's a walking dichotomy. If you disagree with him on any given point, then he thinks you're a closeted homosexual. Rather ironic as most people disagree with him on most of his rambling and that would equate to most of the world being gay...

 

[GFR7]

He's a walking dichotomy. If you disagree with him on any given point, then he thinks you're a closeted homosexual. Rather ironic as most people disagree with him on most of his rambling and that would equate to most of the world being gay...

It doesn't make any sense, does it? :nono: But he does seem to suspect most of the world of it :think:

 

[aikido7]

Don't believe Christianity and Islam are that different. The hysterical fixation on all things gay, feminism and patriarchy is part of Shari'a Law. It doesn't much matter which religion we're talking about.

 

[GFR7]

Don't believe Christianity and Islam are that different. The hysterical fixation on all things gay, feminism and patriarchy is part of Shari'a Law. It doesn't much matter which religion we're talking about.

Dinesh D'Souza some years ago tried to make this point: That US Christians ought to unite with Islam, as they are so similar. It went about as well as you would expect....

 

[alwight]

Don't believe Christianity and Islam are that different. The hysterical fixation on all things gay, feminism and patriarchy is part of Shari'a Law. It doesn't much matter which religion we're talking about.

American Taliban

 

[IMJerusha]

My point is that not all sins are seen as equal, nor should they be. Why do you think homosexuality was considered a capital crime at one time in history and throughout the history of Christianized western civilization those who engaged in it were often times charged with a felony?

They aren't? What separates us from God? Sin. Not some sins more than other sins....just sin.

But God did ordain the civil magistrate as one of three institutions (along with the church and family) to govern mankind.

To implement His Law, not man's own laws.

Surely you're not an anarchist who is against using righteous laws to govern are you IMJ?

No, I am absolutely not an anarchist but I do not have to recognize man's laws as righteous. Scripture instructs that we are to obey the law of the land, however, in Acts 5:27-29 it's clear that when man's law contradicts God's, we are to obey God.

Then why have laws?

Secular laws?...for an ordered society. God's law?....because He said so (lol) and for an ordered society under Him.

Where do you think traditional/conservative values come from (I'll give you a hint: The Holy Bible).

Don't be a snot, it doesn't become you.

Get used to the term culture war, as it is "a war between conflicting ideas and beliefs of society's moral codes."

Get used to thinking of yourself as a Christian man first and a man second.

"Behaviors that put you at risk for HIV include having vaginal or anal sex without a condom or without being on medicines that prevent or treat HIV, or sharing injection drug equipment with someone who has HIV. If you answer yes to any of the following questions, you should definitely get an HIV test:
Have you had sex with someone who is HIV-positive or whose status you didn’t know since your last HIV test?
Have you injected drugs (including steroids, hormones, or silicone) and shared equipment (or works, such as needles and syringes) with others?
Have you exchanged sex for drugs or money?
Have you been diagnosed with or sought treatment for a sexually transmitted disease, like syphilis?
Have you been diagnosed with or sought treatment for hepatitis or tuberculosis (TB)?
Have you had sex with someone who could answer yes to any of the above questions or someone whose history you don’t know?

If you continue having unsafe sex or sharing injection drug equipment, you should get tested at least once a year. Sexually active gay and bisexual men may benefit from more frequent testing (e.g., every 3 to 6 months).

You should also get tested if
You have been sexually assaulted.
You are a woman who is planning to get pregnant or who is pregnant."
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/testing.html

None of which discounts the fact that the CDC recommends HIV testing for all heterosexuals and has standardized HIV testing for all pregnant women.

Do the women in your church "get tested" IMJ?

As tests are ordered privately by physicians, I would hardly be privy to this information unless someone volunteered it. Would you like me to ask at our next meeting?

Should my wife and I "get tested" IMJ, after all, according to the CDC, having vaginal sex without a condom can be risky.

:idunno: I'm not privy to the sexual habits of you or your wife. My husband and I had complete physicals for the first time in our 25 years of marriage. Our physician ordered HIV tests for us but told us we could opt out if we wished. We took the test. Big deal. Of course, you would probably see that as a measure of distrust on our parts but when our doctor tells us to do something, we usually do it, trusting in his expertise.

I'm here to educate the uninformed.

Try doing it from a Christian perspective. After all, that's what will really get folks somewhere, unless you're not interested in that.

 

[GFR7]

Don't be a snot, it doesn't become you. :chuckle:




Try doing it from a Christian perspective. After all, that's what will really get folks somewhere, unless you're not interested in that.

:BRAVO: :BRAVO: