The elect are those that have elected to believe and have faith in Jesus Christ.
"WHOSOEVER That Calls Upon the Name of the Lord Shall be Saved" Romans 10:13
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The elect are those that have elected to believe and have faith in Jesus Christ.
beloved57
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False comment ! Also you dont believe that Jesus Christ death saved them He died for ! Thats unbelief !
Predestinated to be adopted children. That goes for everyone, even me.
There is no scripture about anyone being predestinated to salvation.
beloved57
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Yeah, you deny predestination, and the scripture teaches it. So you deny scripture !
flintstoned
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Yes! Believers are in fact the elect! God chose them from the foundation and ensured that they would receive all that was necessary to be able to come to faith in Jesus.
flintstoned
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Whatever God has predestined to occur WILL occur. He has not predestined all people to be his adopted children. If that were the case, then ALL people will be his adopted children and we know this is not the case. These verses only apply to believers (his sheep).
4For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love 5He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will
Now if any man doesn’t have the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.
Acts 13:48 As the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God. As many as were appointed to eternal life, believed.
Philippians 1:29 Because it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in him, but also to suffer on his behalf
John 10:26
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Now if any man doesn’t have the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.
Acts 13:48 As the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God. As many as were appointed to eternal life, believed.
Philippians 1:29 Because it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in him, but also to suffer on his behalf
John 10:26
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
If God predestinated one person to heaven or to hell he would be unjust.
For you to believe that God predestinates billions to hell for no reason other than they were born after Adam, tells me that you don't have faith in God, nor do you have faith in Christ.
You cannot believe that God sends people to hell for no reason and be saved. That is not saving faith.
flintstoned
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I never said God predestines anyone to hell. He doesn't have to. People don't go to hell for "no reason." They go to hell because they sin. Why would it not be just to be punished for sin? Just because God has decided to extend grace to some, based on his own purposes, in order that they might be spared and brought to salvation.....this somehow makes God unjust? Nobody would be saved if it weren't for God's grace. How would justice be served if God just saved everybody and nobody paid for their sin? If the President, for instance, pardons a criminal and they are spared from having to be imprisoned, does this mean that all criminals should be pardoned? Is it unjust to send criminals to jail, just because a few are blessed with a pardoning?
So why does it even matter? Either way, with God's omniscience, He knows where we will end up before he ever creates us. So, in your belief system, why would he still create those people that he knows will end up in hell? What would be the purpose in that? If it wasn't for God's grace, to determine beforehand that he would save ANY, we would ALL be destined for destruction. In your belief system, you make God out to be an inept liar unable to accomplish what he predestined would occur. Your "god" determined in advance by divine will that supposedly every single person would be an adopted child of god, yet what he has predestined to occur, does not. Your "god" is a failure.
beloved57
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pates blasphemy of God
Eph 1:5
[FONT="]Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
[/FONT] [FONT="]In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
That inheritance is in heaven 1 Pet 1:4
[/FONT][FONT="]To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,[/FONT]
Eph 1:5
[FONT="]Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
[/FONT] [FONT="]In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
That inheritance is in heaven 1 Pet 1:4
[/FONT][FONT="]To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,[/FONT]
The inheritance that is in heaven is Jesus Christ and his Gospel, that you have rejected.
The God of the Bible provides salvation for everyone, Hebrews 2:9.
He predestinates no one to salvation or to hell because that would make him unjust.
beloved57
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You don't believe in Jesus Christ, you don't even believe that Christ death alone saved them He died for, that's unbelief!
beloved57
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False statements not found in scripture.
beloved57
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Heb 2:9 is scripture, but your false statement isn't.
Hebrews 2:9 refutes you false religion.
"That he (Jesus) by the grace of God should taste death for EVERYONE" Hebrews 2:9.
Nanja
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beloved57
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Yep he's being fitted for destruction!