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Did Oswald Chambers speak in tongues? Is that what you are getting at?
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Did Oswald Chambers speak in tongues? Is that what you are getting at?
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I know that. So was the so-called "great commission" given only to the eleven (soon to be twelve again). But the vast majority of Churchianity thinks that it's to them.
Go right ahead. Start a new thread.
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The sent out "seventy, two be two" was NOT the great commission! It was before the cross. The great commission was to those many disciples AFTER Jesus ascended to Heaven to "go and make disciples of all nations however, don't leave Jerusalem before going because: " . . . I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.” Luke 24:49 (ESV)
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Read your Bible again . . . maybe for the first time.
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I have been given to understand he did receive the Baptism IN the Holy Spirit later in his life. How much later I can't comment. His writings speak of a great anointing upon his life. If you read him he never speaks as a Calvinist though, no doubt, he read much of his writings. I can be sure of that. I would suggest reading him and judge for yourself. Eat the meat and spit out potatoes, if any. Personally, if Chambers was of Calvin I would be as well. Bless God, I am not for which I appreciate Chambers even more.
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I didn't say THAT was the so-called "great commission".
Matt 28:16-20 (AKJV/PCE)
(28:16) ¶ Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. (28:17) And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. (28:18) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. (28:19) ¶ Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: (28:20) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.
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I didn't say that the so-called "great commission" mentioned raising the dead. But those that were given the so-called "great commission" did do just that (Acts 9:40-42)
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You said up front it was a command. THAT is what I have been addressing by you believing you were correct and then instigate an argument.. That is what is NOT Christian!
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Show me the post.
God's Truth
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I am sensitive to different spirits, and Calvinism is a spirit I can detect from others in their writings. I had a book by Oswald Chamber and threw it out because I could not take the spirit that became evident in everything he wrote.
According to you though, you claim if one is not speaking in tongues they are not saved and that means Chambers was not saved during his writings.
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No one has to go searching for your post. You know you asked if we could raise the dead. That is your excuse for saying we don't have to obey Jesus' commands that he taught while he walked the earth. You don't understand that Jesus said that to those laying the foundation. However, Crossreference believes in speaking in tongues and has caught you saying something in error and will try to fight for speaking in tongues.
Crossreference goes against me because I preach against nowadays tongue speaking. However, Crossreference goes against you more because what you preach...that we don't have to obey Jesus is more outrageous; and, you don't believe you are born again is room for even more correction.
Tongues has nothing to do with being saved. Gifts are given by the spirit alone.
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I am trying to explain that to CrossReference.
In case you have not noticed, CR loves the writings of Oswald Chambers.
CrossReference is making excuses for those who do not speak in tongues because she is having a hard time explaining how Oswald Chambers can be saved without it.
See, CR said I wasn't saved because I did not speak in tongues, but she is now changing her story because her beloved Oswald.
I used to believe I was speaking in tongues and I even interpreted. However, God showed me with scripture that I was in error.
Cross Reference
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I have already shown you too much and you keep flapping on. Do your own read back.
Cross Reference
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I didn't know I was dong all that. I better put you back on ignore.
God's Truth
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You deny that you caught RD in error when he says we don't have to obey Jesus?
You deny that you caught RD in error when he says we don't raise the dead?
You deny saying that those saved and born again don't have to speak in tongues?
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Why do you have to be a mean old lady?
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YOU made the accusation; YOU prove it! That's how it works.
glorydaz
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But not the Holy Spirit. If you were, you would be preaching the Gospel of Grace. You aren't.
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The gospel of grace is the only gospel that saves and it is not indicative of not obeying Jesus.