Good post!
ECT What's MAD?
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Good post!
You're right! He was preaching that kind of stuff to me last night!
musterion
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In other words, you're still preaching a "works salvation!"
Yep! In my thread; "Two messages merged into one" he wrote the following! Post #26 "That should be obvious: those scriptures, among others, demonstrate the requirement for us to do works. Only the one who does the will of our Father in heaven will be saved. The one who pursues what is good and holy shall recieve eternal life, while the one who pursues evil and is self-seeking will recieve punishment.
If you hear the gospel and know God's will, but do not put this knowledge into practice - then your faith is dead. You will be swept away and destroyed for building on the sand just as if you had not heard the gospel at all.
You misunderstand the significance of belief: it has no merit in of itself. Rather, the significance of belief rests in its ability to guide our actions. If you don't act upon your belief - then of what use is it?
He's preaching a 'works salvation" at the same time, he's denying it!
csuguy
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That post does not say that one is saved by one's perseverance. It says one is required to persevere to receive what is promised - and is accompanied with scriptures saying just that.
I'll respond to your other post tonight after work.
Doom
New member
What do you think the promise is?
Why bother? You're not making any sense anyway!
csuguy
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Further evidence that you reject the teachings of Christ - you say that I am teaching a false gospel when I am quoting scripture directly - even Christ's own words.
csuguy
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Salvation, eternal-life with God, etc. It is what we are promised under the New Covenant as sons/daughters of God.
Baloney!
csuguy
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You said that my post concerning perseverence was a false gospel - despite direct scriptural references. You reject the Gospel of Matthew, the espistle of James, etc.
You even reject Paul where he is inconvenient for you - despite your rhetoric.
vfirestormv
Member
Not what Paul says:
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Rom 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
I didn't use the word "Blasphemy!" Produce it, if you can? Don't
be lying, it works against your credibility!
Have a thread that discusses it, if you would like to know about it.
For Sincere Inquisitors ONLY: MAD Explained
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58704
One of the main differences is between the restored Kingdom of Israel and the BOC (Body of Christ).
One can be kicked out of the Kingdom --- faith plus works.
One cannot be kicked out of the BOC --- faith without works.
Some try to make the Kingdom and the BOC the same entity.
They are not.
WonderfulLordJesus
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Having been a Christian many years, I'd never heard of this MAD thing. No cult has added to the Christian faith of the Bible. If I don't need them, why would I need this? Which leads to the most important question, then: who cares?
CSUGUY is in his 20s and a liberal, I guess that plays a part
in his ignorance? Grow up!!
in his ignorance? Grow up!!
You're assuming; in ignorance, that it may be a cult?
Lon
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"Use?" All of them. Apply? Only Paul's writings. You can find more on Wikipedia by typing in "Hyper Dispensationalism" and Mid Acts Dispensationalism. I'm not sure why some on here are not more forthcoming for you when the answer is about this simple. While "The Plot" is a source, it isn't available on Wikipedia or other online resource without paying for it, so I'd simply wiki- or google these two terms to get the general idea. I'm Covenant Theology, so I'll provide you with a plethora of reading material if you want to know what that theology position is about.
I do agree with some of MAD, for instance: Though I'm Covenant, I agree with them that Hebrews is primarily written to "Hebrews" and that it is dealing with a people specific need that existed at the time of the New Testament and that the problem is not a gentile one expressed in Hebrews 6. Most of my Covenant family/friends would disagree with that, and most dispensationalists as well.
In Him
-Lon