glorydaz
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The preaching of the cross is the power of God unto salvation. 1 Corinthians 1:18
That includes the entire work of the cross, not just the resurrection.
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The preaching of the cross is the power of God unto salvation. 1 Corinthians 1:18
That includes the entire work of the cross, not just the resurrection.
Pornography is grave matter, even if you don't lust after the people. You can't condemn pornography in itself, but only pornography with lusting, based strictly on the Scripture. This doesn't accord with what is commonly known to be true, that pornography is wrong in itself, so that the Bible would permit pornography without lust, is wrong, and the Lord's own solution for this chink is His bishops' authorized teaching on the moral matter of pornography. It is wrong; it is wrongdoing, the production, distribution, promotion, and consumption of pornography is wrong, and gravely so, regardless of whether you lust or not, during any or no part of it.
Sonnet
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You mean Christ speaks through true Christians (if not speaking directly).
No. You have to root this in Scripture, as a Protestant. And you can't, is what I'm telling you. And that's part of why I'm Catholic in my theology.
Sonnet
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Obviously - if images are made with the intention of making money through sexual desire then it would be wrong and covered by scripture.
Sonnet
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That would be a problem for all Christians...if it is a problem.
glorydaz
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There is nothing that Scripture doesn't cover, because there is nothing new under the sun.
There are some who say art is pornography. There are some who covet another man's wife even when she is fully clothed. Lust, coveting, greed, and adultery...these all address any type of sexual sins. Mankind was created to know good and evil...thus he has no excuse.
There are only about 5,000 Catholic bishops. There are reportedly about a billion Catholics. That's 200,000-to-1. That's way too small a ratio, that's why there are so many priests, to deal with all those Catholics, because there's not enough bishops. Bishops, overseers, elders, these are the men in Scripture ordained by the imposition of the Apostles' hands, and who then ordained others in the same way, which is the physical succession of the Apostles to this day. 200,000 Catholics is probably about the population of the archdiocese within which I live. The archbishop is the senior pastor of this archdiocese, and there are many dozens of parish churches who are all in the archdiocese. Timothy was a bishop, and Titus was a bishop, and Peter and Paul addressed these men directly in multiple places in the Scripture.
glorydaz
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You're wrong, of course. Unless you don't have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you, then, yes, you need some list of rules and regulations. The law was made for sinners...for the ungodly. If you need a Church to tell you that pornography is wrong, then you are still under the law, but no organized religion can ever take the place of Scripture.
1 Timothy 1:9
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
There is succession of bishops. You contend it's illegitimate, but that's another thing. These Christians, Catholics and the Orthodox, believe that bishops are physically an extension of the Apostles, and therefore of the Lord Himself, because of the unending chain of the imposition of hands consecrating a bishop. Every bishop is ordained because an Apostle ordained a bishop who ordained a bishop who ordained a bishop etc., who ordained him.
glorydaz
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Really? And how many of those molest children? :chew:
What if someone doesn't sin? Quote-unquote.The preaching of the cross is the power of God unto salvation. 1 Corinthians 1:18
That includes the entire work of the cross, not just the resurrection.
He speaks through the magisterium even if they don't believe in Him.
The intention foresees the consumption, and consumption doesn't require lust, is what I'm saying. Scripture doesn't talk about pornography without lusting, is my point.
Catholicism's rooted in Scripture. It's not a problem.
Sonnet
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No one should trust a man just because the badge says 'Roman Catholic'.
Sonnet
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Could you be specific?
Sonnet
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Everyone is claiming their belief is rooted thus.
glorydaz
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Incredible that people still buy into that nonsense. I'm sorry, but it's just so wrong.
There is no direct succession. You will find no such thing in the Bible, and it goes directly against the teaching of Paul. Those who serve in the church are to serve, and they are to be recognized as elders by the members of the assembly. Husbands of one wife, etc.
These are spiritual gifts...some teachers, some pastors, etc.....for the work of the ministry and edifying of the body. You can't pass down spiritual gifts.
Eph. 4:11-12 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Participating in the production, distribution, promotion, and consumption of pornography does not require lust, coveting, greed, or adultery, is my point. Meanwhile, in the teachers edition to the Catholic faith, it calls out pornography by name, eliminating even the possibility of this conversation we're having, which, I know, I started it, but why is this conversation possible? I say, because we're supposed to be Catholic. 'Same thing with those Trinity threads, this isn't supposed to be happening.