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No. You have it terribly wrong.

Faith in Our Lord's active and passive obedience on behalf of the ones believing upon Him is not "hope" as you no doubt are using the word.

[FONT=&]There are many things in this world we "hope" for. We hope that we will receive a raise in our salary. We hope that our favorite team will win the World Series. This kind of hope expresses our personal desires for the future. We have hope concerning things that are uncertain. We don't know if our desires will come to pass, but we hold out hope that they will. This is the hope you are expressing and wrongly attributing to Biblical faith. At best, you are but a Romanist that can never be assured of their faith without the endless treadmill of works.[/FONT]

[FONT=&]However, when Scripture speaks of hope, it has something different in view. Scriptural hope is a firm conviction that the future promises of God will be fulfilled. Scriptural hope is not mere wish projection, but an assurance of what will come to pass. "This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and which enters the Presence behind the veil" (Hebrews 6:19). [/FONT]

[FONT=&]Hope takes its place alongside faith and love as one of the Christian virtues that the apostle Paul sets forth in 1 Corinthians 13:13. Hope is faith directed toward the future. [/FONT]

[FONT=&]Hope is used in two ways in Scripture. The less common usage points out the object of our hope: Our Lord Jesus Christ is our hope of eternal life. The more common usage is as an attitude of assurance regarding the fulfillment of God's promises. The Christian is called to hope, that is, to have full assurance of the resurrection of God's people and the coming of God's kingdom (see [/FONT]1 John 5:13).

From the WLC:
"Q. 80. Can true believers be infallibly assured that they are in the estate of grace, and that they shall persevere therein unto salvation?

"A. Such as truly believe in Christ, and endeavor to walk in all good conscience before him, may, without extraordinary revelation, by faith grounded upon the truth of God’s promises, and by the Spirit enabling them to discern in themselves those graces to which the promises of life are made, and bearing witness with their spirits that they are the children of God, be infallibly assured that they are in the estate of grace and shall persevere therein unto salvation. 1 John 2:3; 1 Cor. 2:12; 1 John 3:14, 18-19, 21, 24; 1 John 4:13, 16; Heb. 6: 11- 12; Rom. 8:16; 1 John 5:13.

"Q. 81. Are all true believers at all times assured of their present being in the estate of grace, and that they shall be saved?

"A. Assurance of grace and salvation not being of the essence of faith, true believers may wait long before they obtain it; and, after the enjoyment thereof, may have it weakened and intermitted, through manifold distempers, sins, temptations, and desertions; yet are they never left without such a presence and support of the Spirit of God, as keeps them from sinking into utter despair. Eph. 1:13; Isa. 1:10; Ps. 88:1-18; Ps. 77:1-12; Song of Sol. 5:2-3, 6; Ps. 51:8, 12; Ps. 31:22; Ps. 22:1; 1 John 3:9; Job 13:15; Ps. 73:15, 23; Isa. 54:7-10."​

Again, what prevents you from calling upon the name of the Lord and being saved, such that you may possess the hope described above?

AMR

Thanks. Do you believe that such faith as you describe is genuinely exercised from the person concerned whilst at the same time it is all from God? - such being along the same line as the paradox mentioned in the WCofF where an admittance that no explanation existed for how humans remained responsible under God's sovereign predetermination.
 

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The Westminster Larger Catechism says this about Easter: "...one whole day in seven; which was the seventh from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, and the first day of the week ever since." Sundays are a weekly celebration of Easter, and a weekly day of rest and recuperation for Christians.
 

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The Westminster Confession of Faith

Chapter VI

Of the Fall of Man, of Sin, and the Punishment thereof

I. Our first parents, being seduced by the subtilty and temptations of Satan, sinned, in eating the forbidden fruit. This their sin, God was pleased, according to His wise and holy counsel, to permit, having purposed to order it to His own glory.

II. By this sin they fell from their original righteousness and communion, with God, and so became dead in sin, and wholly defiled in all the parts and faculties of soul and body.

III. They being the root of all mankind, the guilt of this sin was imputed; and the same death in sin, and corrupted nature, conveyed to all their posterity descending from them by ordinary generation.

IV. From this original corruption, whereby we are utterly indisposed, disabled, and made opposite to all good, and wholly inclined to all evil, do proceed all actual transgressions.

V. This corruption of nature, during this life, does remain in those that are regenerated; and although it be, through Christ, pardoned, and mortified; yet both itself, and all the motions thereof, are truly and properly sin.

VI. Every sin, both original and actual, being a transgression of the righteous law of God, and contrary thereunto, does in its own nature, bring guilt upon the sinner,[ whereby he is bound over to the wrath of God, and curse of the law, and so made subject to death, with all miseries spiritual, temporal, and eternal.


This is obvious wrong - particularly IV - for it leaves no room whatsoever for human responsibility.
 

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I'll spend this post to show you some of the differences and when you are done going through them (hopefully actually looking into the bible to see if these things be so) it would be refreshing for you to be honest with yourself, the scriptures and even all of us here to admit that these things actually are different.

Israel's salvation was dependent upon them doing something by faith (James 2:18 KJV):

Repent, and believe the gospel (Mark 1:4 KJV) by baptism of repentance for the remission of sins (Mark 1:4 KJV, Mark 16:16 KJV, Acts 2:38 KJV), keep the commandments (John 14:15 KJV, Matthew 23:2-3 KJV, John 15:5-10 KJV), endure to the end to be saved (Matthew 10:22 KJV), go through the trial of their faith (1 Peter 1:7 KJV), receiving the end of their faith, even the salvation of their souls (1 Peter 1:9 KJV). That salvation is of the grace that "should" come unto them (Acts 15:11 KJV, 1 Peter 1:10 KJV). They look forward that their sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord (which is at what many refer to as the second coming of the Lord (Acts 3:19-21 KJV).

That is not the righteousness of God without the law by the faith of Jesus Christ that is unto all and upon all them that believe in this age (Romans 3:21-22 KJV). To be saved today is to trust the Lord believing the gospel of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) which is where the righteousness of God is revealed (Romans 1:16-17 KJV). Those who have trusted the Lord today having believed the gospel of Christ "are saved" presently (1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV, 1 Corinthians 15:2 KJV,Ephesians 2:5 KJV, Ephesians 2:8 KJV). We get saved not by works of righteousness which we have done (Romans 4:4-5 KJV, Titus 3:4-7 KJV). We are baptized BY one Spirit into one Body (not by water for the remission of sins 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJV). We have now received the atonement (Romans 5:11 KJV).

That’s all wrong


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I don't really see the subtle distinctions you see. You mention John 14:15 and Matthew 23:2-3 regarding the commandments but doesn't Paul explains in Romans 10 that it is through faith that the Law is kept? He explicitly says:

Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness.

Amen. What she failed to recognize is that there were two types of elections. First and of more importance is the individual election to salvation, Jew or Geek, all the same, no distinction in how one gets saved it is by grace through faith. The second type of election is the national election. The only nation elected by God is Israel. As mentioned earlier in your thread Nicodemos thought that the national election or Jewish birth automatically saved him. Jesus corrected him. One must be saved by spiritual birth by trusting in the Messiah.

Another failure on the part of MAD is the failure to distinguish the Remnant of Israel from the non Remnant. What they do is take Galatians out of context and try to claim that in Christ there is neither Jew no Greek and therefore Hebrew Christians are not part of Israel. At least I think they believe that (I refuse to study error). The fact is that Paul is saying how a person gets saved is no different for a Jew or Greek. If their claim were true then we are no longer male or female, employees or employers too!


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What has been accomplished and debated thus far...

1) Sonnet specifically sees the All not meaning all in Calvinism as Gospel splitting and destroying.

2) God can reach Man with and without scripture... IE... [MENTION=11892]blackbirdking[/MENTION] is pointing out that until Sonnet fully experiences Jesus and His Love... Sonnet will be searching and no scripture can fix that... as Sonnet is in the process of establishing a relationship with Jesus that Jesus has been working on for years...

3) The place of the temple destruction in scripture as it relates to Dispensationalist perspective and Sonnet

4) Dispensational perspective... when straightforward... but not hashed to fine detailes and schisms may hold answers for Sonnets biblical questions.

5) Sonnet is here sincerely and is not a troll.
... this is verified as he has no other accounts here and is consistent with his questions... Sonnet is sincerely seeking and Love and Communication with kindness is best in answering his debate and Questioning in “This” situation! ... though Scripture says all... situations... and yeah... I fail time after time on that one!

6) Sonnet has new faith with normal doubt and meaningful questions that go with it

7) Should unity occur with deception involved? As in... we forgive Calvinism... but is the all not meaning all acceptable in the eyes of God and though Calvinists are saved by faith... in witness... do we have to cover up the facts of the matter?

8) EE needs to chill from ToL for a while and wishes all of you his best...

9) [MENTION=595]Knight[/MENTION] and [MENTION=12969]Sherman[/MENTION] are people of Love! If they weren’t... I would have been canned... long ago! Therefore... ToL exalts Jesus and the DBR far above all else and is a Gospel powerhouse!

Disclaimer if I ever get permabanned... I deserve it... and all strikes I’ve gotten here... I deserve and appreciate.

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1 more thing for [MENTION=16283]Sonnet[/MENTION] ...

The “Temple” is twofold... as in

1) The Physical Temple And...

2) Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb

So... a powerful being claiming to be Jesus and the literal Temple Mount structure are both insinuated and prophetic...

The real Jesus will return in Physical form... per Acts 1. But... there will most likely be a fake one that isn’t Him at all... first... He warned of this...

So much more... but... then again... nuff said...

You’re always a blessing to me [MENTION=16283]Sonnet[/MENTION] !!!

Blackbirdropping heretical lies my friend.


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What assures you that the Gospel of Jesus is truth?

The trust I have is based in the Bible being the infallible word of God. It starts there. If the Bible is God’s word then it should be heeded. Any of the outward experiences of my life are inwardly encouraging and authentic to my faith but they are only experiences and placing my faith in experiences would be folly.


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Thanks. Do you believe that such faith as you describe is genuinely exercised from the person concerned whilst at the same time it is all from God?
I do.

Regeneration requires the sole action of God to quicken the dead to life. This new principle of life enables the person to be willing to believe, and he or she will not not believe. In regeneration the person is passive. Having been regenerated the man becomes active. The exercise of faith in receiving the righteousness of Christ for justification is the person's own act. God does not do the believing for anyone. God grants that faith willingly apprehended by the regenerated person.

It is God who unites us to Christ, calls us, and regenerates us. He gives us a new heart and a new spirit. This causes a real and personal sanctification (the walk of faith)whereby we grow in the practice of holiness. We are personally sanctified and we personally practice holiness more and more, but it is only because of what God has done and continues to do. The holy disposition born in regeneration is strengthened and its holy exercises are increased. The Holy Spirit brings us to Christ and Christ to us so that we are united to Him and enjoy all the blessings and benefits of His merits and mediation. Within this union and life, we work with all our might, by the empowerment and grace of God. Our act of obedience in our walk of faith resulting from the Spirit's work is such that our liberty and free obedience is preserved. Yet, at the end of the race, we declare ourselves to be unprofitable servants, for nothing we do is merit worthy, making God a debtor to our "good deeds".

According to the Westminster Shorter Catechism (Q. 35), sanctification is "the work of God's free grace, whereby we are renewed in the whole man after the image of God, and are enabled more and more to die unto sin, and live unto righteousness." Sanctification is a continuing change worked by God in us, freeing us from sinful habits and forming in us Christlike affections, dispositions, and virtues. It does not mean that sin is instantly eradicated, but it is also more than a counteraction, in which sin is merely restrained or repressed without being progressively destroyed. Sanctification is a real transformation, not just the appearance of one.

From the above, regeneration is birth; sanctification is growth.
- In regeneration, God implants desires that were not there before: desire for God, for holiness, and for glorifying God's name in the world; desire to pray and worship; desire to love and bring benefit to others.
- In sanctification, the Holy Spirit "works in you, both to will and to work" according to God's purpose, enabling His people to fulfill their new, godly desires (Phil. 2:12, 13). Christians become increasingly Christlike, as the moral profile of Jesus (the "fruit of the Spirit") is progressively formed in them (2 Cor. 3:18; Gal. 4:19; 5:22–25). We work out our sanctification as God works in us (Phil. 2:12-12).

Accordingly, sanctification is an ongoing process, dependent on God's continuing action in the believer, and consisting of the believer's continuous struggle against sin. God's method of sanctification is neither activism (self-reliant activity) nor apathy (God-reliant passivity), but human effort dependent on God (2 Cor. 7:1; Phil. 3:10–14; Heb. 12:14). Knowing that without Christ's enabling we cannot do good works, but also that He is ready to strengthen us for all we have to do (Phil. 4:13), we "abide" in Christ, asking for His help constantly—and we receive it (Col. 1:11; 1 Tim. 1:12; 2 Tim. 1:7; 2:1).

Clearly, we Calvinists make it clear that no one can answer "how" God pulls off being wholly sovereign and man wholly responsible (no violence done to the will). The "how" has not been revealed. Yet God is sovereign and man is responsible has been declared in Scripture to be so and therefore must be the beginning presupposition for all doctrinal matters that may arise.

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Sonnet

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I do.

Regeneration requires the sole action of God to quicken the dead to life. This new principle of life enables the person to be willing to believe, and he or she will not not believe. In regeneration the person is passive. Having been regenerated the man becomes active. The exercise of faith in receiving the righteousness of Christ for justification is the person's own act. God does not do the believing for anyone. God grants that faith willingly apprehended by the regenerated person.

It is God who unites us to Christ, calls us, and regenerates us. He gives us a new heart and a new spirit. This causes a real and personal sanctification (the walk of faith)whereby we grow in the practice of holiness. We are personally sanctified and we personally practice holiness more and more, but it is only because of what God has done and continues to do. The holy disposition born in regeneration is strengthened and its holy exercises are increased. The Holy Spirit brings us to Christ and Christ to us so that we are united to Him and enjoy all the blessings and benefits of His merits and mediation. Within this union and life, we work with all our might, by the empowerment and grace of God. Our act of obedience in our walk of faith resulting from the Spirit's work is such that our liberty and free obedience is preserved. Yet, at the end of the race, we declare ourselves to be unprofitable servants, for nothing we do is merit worthy, making God a debtor to our "good deeds".

According to the Westminster Shorter Catechism (Q. 35), sanctification is "the work of God's free grace, whereby we are renewed in the whole man after the image of God, and are enabled more and more to die unto sin, and live unto righteousness." Sanctification is a continuing change worked by God in us, freeing us from sinful habits and forming in us Christlike affections, dispositions, and virtues. It does not mean that sin is instantly eradicated, but it is also more than a counteraction, in which sin is merely restrained or repressed without being progressively destroyed. Sanctification is a real transformation, not just the appearance of one.

From the above, regeneration is birth; sanctification is growth.
- In regeneration, God implants desires that were not there before: desire for God, for holiness, and for glorifying God's name in the world; desire to pray and worship; desire to love and bring benefit to others.
- In sanctification, the Holy Spirit "works in you, both to will and to work" according to God's purpose, enabling His people to fulfill their new, godly desires (Phil. 2:12, 13). Christians become increasingly Christlike, as the moral profile of Jesus (the "fruit of the Spirit") is progressively formed in them (2 Cor. 3:18; Gal. 4:19; 5:22–25). We work out our sanctification as God works in us (Phil. 2:12-12).

Accordingly, sanctification is an ongoing process, dependent on God's continuing action in the believer, and consisting of the believer's continuous struggle against sin. God's method of sanctification is neither activism (self-reliant activity) nor apathy (God-reliant passivity), but human effort dependent on God (2 Cor. 7:1; Phil. 3:10–14; Heb. 12:14). Knowing that without Christ's enabling we cannot do good works, but also that He is ready to strengthen us for all we have to do (Phil. 4:13), we "abide" in Christ, asking for His help constantly—and we receive it (Col. 1:11; 1 Tim. 1:12; 2 Tim. 1:7; 2:1).

Clearly, we Calvinists make it clear that no one can answer "how" God pulls off being wholly sovereign and man wholly responsible (no violence done to the will). The "how" has not been revealed. Yet God is sovereign and man is responsible has been declared in Scripture to be so and therefore must be the beginning presupposition for all doctrinal matters that may arise.

AMR

You must recognise that such an inability to explain justifies the sceptic? Of course, the Arminian cannot quite explain his view either - how God remains in control if man can choose faith (synergistically of course).
 

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This is obvious wrong - particularly IV - for it leaves no room whatsoever for human responsibility.
Did you read the section carefully? The fall of Adam, mankind's federal head, brought about this dire state of all his progeny. Was Adam treated unfairly? Was Adam an imperfect representative of all of mankind? Was Adam not able to not sin? Was God being unfair to impute the sin of Adam to all His progeny and hold them all accountable? "No" is the answer to all these questions.

The section you are declaring "obviously wrong" is obviously not being understood at all.

Persons will complain that we are being punished for sin when we have not yet sinned, for after all, they argue, no one is born a sinner, but must sin to be a sinner. In other words, per this reasoning, for Adam's guilt to be imputed to his posterity, they would have to actually have committed the act they are being judged for. If this is the case, then these same persons must logically argue, in order to be counted righteous in Christ (per Romans 5) they would have to actually possess the righteousness for which we are reckoned by God. Hopefully no one makes this sort of claim, so the obvious answer is that folks do not understand the parallels Paul draws between the First and Second Adam.

Paul answers from Rom. 5:12 that through the transgression of Adam, sin has ruled over all so that all have been personally guilty because just as the righteousness of Christ, the second Adam, is later imputed to man for salvation, so sin was imputed to all through the first Adam. If imputation of the sin of Adam is untenable, then the imputation of the righteousness of Christ must also be untenable. May it never be so!

God has revealed that men are guilty in Adam but, correspondingly, they are found righteous in Christ. This is not merely "legal fiction" but comes about by union with the party reckoned to. Either we are in the first Adam or in the Second.

The parallels of imputation of the First and Second Adam is clearly the teaching of Scripture. These must be reconciled with notions of "human responsibility" brought into the discussion from outside of Scripture. Responsibility simply means one is accountable. That one "ought" to do this or that, in no way requires one "can" do this or that.

Sadly, the state of the church militant today, with all the popular notions of human autonomy, no one stops for a moment to consider that the real wonder of God here should be why did God save even one person after the fall of Adam, much less a great multitude no man can number. Instead all we find are persons complaining about how unfair God is, to hate one, love another, after Adam's transgression. The world has been full of social justice types long before the term became recently popularized. :AMR:

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Sonnet

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The trust I have is based in the Bible being the infallible word of God. It starts there. If the Bible is God’s word then it should be heeded. Any of the outward experiences of my life are inwardly encouraging and authentic to my faith but they are only experiences and placing my faith in experiences would be folly.


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Even if the Bible had one or a ton of errors then God might still exist.

I am personally still impressed by the Passion of Christ as written but If John 3:14-16 isn't genuine then I it's all rendered pointless, I'd say.
 

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You must recognise that such an inability to explain justifies the sceptic?
The skeptic wrongly assumes that no mystery should exist when it comes to God, yet they regularly borrow from the believer's intellectual capital concerning mystery every day. They are more than willing to accept things not fully explained, yet balk when it comes to matters of their eternal destiny. Of course, this is all according to what Paul describes in Romans 1, so I am not surprised. By definition, a transcendent being includes some things that will remain a mystery.

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Did you read the section carefully? The fall of Adam, mankind's federal head, brought about this dire state of all his progeny. Was Adam treated unfairly? Was Adam an imperfect representative of all of mankind? Was Adam not able to not sin? Was God being unfair to impute the sin of Adam to all His progeny and hold them all accountable? "No" is the answer to all these questions.

The section you are declaring "obviously wrong" is obviously not being understood at all.

Persons will complain that we are being punished for sin when we have not yet sinned, for after all, they argue, no one is born a sinner, but must sin to be a sinner. In other words, per this reasoning, for Adam's guilt to be imputed to his posterity, they would have to actually have committed the act they are being judged for. If this is the case, then these same persons must logically argue, in order to be counted righteous in Christ (per Romans 5) they would have to actually possess the righteousness for which we are reckoned by God. Hopefully no one makes this sort of claim, so the obvious answer is that folks do not understand the parallels Paul draws between the First and Second Adam.

Paul answers from Rom. 5:12 that through the transgression of Adam, sin has ruled over all so that all have been personally guilty because just as the righteousness of Christ, the second Adam, is later imputed to man for salvation, so sin was imputed to all through the first Adam. If imputation of the sin of Adam is untenable, then the imputation of the righteousness of Christ must also be untenable. May it never be so!

God has revealed that men are guilty in Adam but, correspondingly, they are found righteous in Christ. This is not merely "legal fiction" but comes about by union with the party reckoned to. Either we are in the first Adam or in the Second.

The parallels of imputation of the First and Second Adam is clearly the teaching of Scripture. These must be reconciled with notions of "human responsibility" brought into the discussion from outside of Scripture. Responsibility simply means one is accountable. That one "ought" to do this or that, in no way requires one "can" do this or that.

Sadly, the state of the church militant today, with all the popular notions of human autonomy, no one stops for a moment to consider that the real wonder of God here should be why did God save even one person after the fall of Adam, much less a great multitude no man can number. Instead all we find are persons complaining about how unfair God is, to hate one, love another, after Adam's transgression. The world has been full of social justice types long before the term became recently popularized. :AMR:

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It is wrong when one considers the doctrine of election / reprobation as well. I can't see any problem being born with such an inheritance if God died for all. But you don't believe that Gospel.

Also, faith doesn't fall within the scope of the definition of a work of righteousness as Romans 4:1ff clearly affirms.

Verse 5:
However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.
 

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The skeptic wrongly assumes that no mystery should exist when it comes to God, yet they regularly borrow from the believer's intellectual capital concerning mystery every day. They are more than willing to accept things not fully explained, yet balk when it comes to matters of their eternal destiny. Of course, this is all according to what Paul describes in Romans 1, so I am not surprised. By definition, a transcendent being includes some things that will remain a mystery.

AMR

You have a point.

Doesn't the Arminians inability to resolve the dilemma make them on a par with the Calvinists?
 
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The skeptic wrongly assumes that no mystery should exist when it comes to God, yet they regularly borrow from the believer's intellectual capital concerning mystery every day. They are more than willing to accept things not fully explained, yet balk when it comes to matters of their eternal destiny. Of course, this is all according to what Paul describes in Romans 1, so I am not surprised. By definition, a transcendent being includes some things that will remain a mystery.

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AMR - why does Calvinistic inability to explain how man is responsible in the face of Godly predetermination trump Arminian inability to explain the maintenance of God's Sovereignty in the face of man's ability to choose?

Why do you choose to exercise faith in the former? Aren't you thereby declaring the latter impossible? If so, why?
 

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Even if the Bible had one or a ton of errors then God might still exist.

I am personally still impressed by the Passion of Christ as written but If John 3:14-16 isn't genuine then I it's all rendered pointless, I'd say.

Jn 3:14-16 is the Gospel


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Jn 3:14-16 is the Gospel


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Why does inability to explain how man is responsible in the face of Godly predetermination trump inability to explain the maintenance of God's Sovereignty in the face of man's ability to choose?

Why do you choose to exercise faith in the former? Aren't you thereby declaring the latter impossible? If so, why?
 

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The Reformed Faith - An Exposition of the Westminster Confession of Faith (Robert Shaw) - Chapter III. Of God's Eternal Decree:

By the decree of God is meant his purpose or determination with respect to future things; or, more fully, his determinate counsel, whereby, from all eternity, he foreordained whatever he should do, or would permit to be done, in time.

This subject is one of the most abstruse and intricate in theology, and it has been the fruitful source of a variety of controversies in the Christian Church. But whatever diversity of opinion may obtain respecting the details of the doctrine, "no man will deny that there are divine decrees, who believes that God is an intelligent being, and considers what this character implies. An intelligent being is one who knows and judges, who purposes ends and devises means, who acts from design, conceives a plan, and then proceeds to execute it. Fortune was worshipped as a goddess for the ancient heathens, and was represented as blind, to signify that she was guided by no faced rule, and distributed her favours at random. Surely no person of common sense, not to say piety, will impute procedure so irrational to the Lord of universal nature. As he knew all things which his power could accomplish, there were, undoubtedly, reasons which determined him to do one thing, and not to do another; and his choice, which was founded upon those reasons, was his decree."​

Was is necessary for God to predetermine as described here? If so, why? Is there an alternative whereby only certain events needed to be fixed?
 

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why does Calvinistic inability to explain how man is responsible in the face of Godly predetermination trump Arminian inability to explain the maintenance of God's Sovereignty in the face of man's ability to choose?

Human responsibility is misunderstood to mean that individuals, in a state of enmity with their Creator, are called upon to exercise a latent ability to come to God according to a scheme, whether of their own making, or that which may be perceived by them as laid down by God. This is a search of vanity and is the same misunderstanding that the Pharisees and scribes had. It proceeds from our desire to want to be gods ourselves and give ourselves some of the glory due only to Him.

Salvation only proceeds from, and is applied by, God's mercy. Our responsibility is not to use that which we no longer have, but to stop using what we do have to resist Him. His call to all is genuine and, should any or even all, cease to build walls to keep Him out, His mercy will be applied. This is the essence of Jesus' parable of the talents.

It is also the teaching of the thief on the cross. All who use whatever meagre abilities they have to throw themselves on the mercy of God, will not be forsaken. Were it any other way, those who have more ability would be favoured. But God tells us that all are equally unable to solve the problem common to all. We are spiritually dead and must be born anew.

Rom 3:11KJV

Eph 2:8-9KJV

James 1:17KJV

Tit 3:5KJV
 
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