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That I affirm the possible truth of Jesus Christ means other than you claim. But I remain sceptical of the Bible.
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That I affirm the possible truth of Jesus Christ means other than you claim. But I remain sceptical of the Bible.
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Luke 22:20-21
“This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you. But the hand of him who is going to betray me is with mine on the table."
Jesus included Judas within the scope of 'you'.
If Yah Veh had not come to seek and to save Adam & Eve they would still be hiding and we would not be having this chat. Yau Shua Messiah came into the world to save sinners. The prerogative is His...
Sonnet
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Your view makes life worthless.
Your pride must be taking a hammering. To discover that all your studying, work and diligence accounts for nothing. Everything you thought was right turns out to be wrong. The good you thought you were performing is actually evil and the reward is death and eternal damnation.
"There is a way that seems right to a man that leads to death".
"There is a way that seems right to a man that leads to death".
It's not my view. It's absolute, Elohim glorifying truth.
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I merely express a scepticism of scripture. That is all.
God's Truth
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We have to believe and obey to get saved.
Judas could not believe that he could be forgiven.
Sonnet
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You mean life is a total sham?
You express atheism. That is all.
Sonnet
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My point was that Jesus told those in the room that his blood was (would be) shed for them.
How do you know what you assert regarding Judas?
You don't posses life. You are dead in sin and a slave to Satan.
"Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:"
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It's close to atheism, but agnostic is more accurate.
Sonnet
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You mean I inherited this condition at birth and am total without recourse to an alternative? Is that correct?
And, you are agnostic. Double 'A'.
God's Truth
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When Judas realized his sin, he repented and then killed himself.
We have to repent of our sins, but we also have to have faith that we are forgiven.
Sonnet
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Not sure that (his suicide) disqualifies him definitively.
Not at birth. Not at conception. Before the foundation of the world.
"For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of Elohim according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth".
God's Truth
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We are talking about being saved by Jesus' blood.
To be saved by Jesus' blood is when you have faith that his blood cleans you of the sins you repent of doing.
Sonnet
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Either way Truster - that you accept man is without recourse makes for an awful conclusion.