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You want to block me but speak to all the others here who go against you? I see why you would want to do that.
What is the Gospel?
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You want to block me but speak to all the others here who go against you? I see why you would want to do that.
Shasta
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Galatians 1:7-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Whenever the Amplified Bible inserts words into the text it lets readers know by enclosing the added words in [brackets]. Without using any brackets you have inserted so many assumptions that the EMPHASIS is no longer on the Galatians as simply a people who had heard Paul’s preaching but on the their status as Gentile people who were possessors of a special Gentile gospel.
Using the Amplified Bible’s notations your interpretation would be read as follows:
Galatians 1:7-8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you [gentile recipients of the Gentile Gospel of Grace], let him be accursed.
This is a lot to inject into the word YOU. Don’t you think it is more likely that “unto you” means simply that Paul and his team had preached the Gospel UNTO them in person? As is often the case when a text is devoid of evidence for MAD it is perfectly acceptable to import assumptions into the text in the manner of a illusionist making a rabbit appear out of an empty hat or the Supreme Court calling the Gay “right” to marry into existence from the text of the Constitution. Neither the rabbit, the right or MAD were there historically.
This is certainly not a very compelling argument in favor of your position. It is not so convincing that you can afford to be contemptuous of those who do not “see” it. The Gnostics also looked down upon believers who did not read their elaborate system into the words of scripture.
I do not think your interpretation of these verses is even plausible. For one, it requires that the Galatians were virtually an homogeneous population of Gentiles, so much so that a discussion of the Jewish Gospel was not warranted. However, at this stage of Church history Jews still made up a good proportion of Church membership. Not only this, but Galatia was not a single city but a very large region consisting of many cities. Paul had actively worked in at least four of them: Antioch of Pisidia, Iconium, Lystra and Derbe. Is it reasonable to suppose that there was not a substantial Jewish presence in those Churches seeing that it was still Paul’s custom was to preach every week in the Synagogues? Lastly, Paul’s letter is not specifically addressed to the “Gentiles in Galatia” but to "the ChurcheS in Galatia."
Jewish believers would have needed the message of Galatians as much as Gentiles. They were just as vulnerable to the deception of the Judaizers, if not more so because of their upbringing. If MAD were true it would have even been easy for the Judaeizers sway the Jews to exchange their “Gospel of the Kingdom” for a "Christianized" form of the Law. Was Paul such a specialist in his ministry that he could not warn his Jewish brethren about the temptations facing them?
Here is another problem. Suppose the gentile Galatians repented and turned back to the faith. Might they not then mistake their Jewish brethren’s legitimate “Gospel of the Kingdom” for the different gospel they had just escaped? This would have very likely led to arguments and division. By not explaining how the "Jewish Gospel," the Gentile Gospel and the "different gospel" differed Paul left an open door to further attacks in the future.
Of course, there could be a good reason Paul never talked about the “Jewish Gospel” Perhaps it did not exist. I find it interesting that, while I have read many impassioned assertions that a “Jewish Gospel” existed I hear little to nothing about what it actually entailed. Some have said that Jewish believers were under a system in which salvation could be obtained by a strange doctrinal hybrid of grace and works.
I always thought "by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; (Romans 3:20). Did the Church at Rome not consist of Jews AND Gentiles, or must we insert extra commentary inside the brackets here too? Perhaps the verse should be amended to read “By the works of the law shall no flesh be justified [except for Jewish believers].
Besides that, what would “works” mean to a Jewish Believer – keeping Sabbath, keeping the Festivals eating kosher? Peter the supposed keeper of the “Jewish Gospel” is equally reticent about explaining what his gospel consisted of. Instead we are left, once again, to draw inferences on what is not stated.
Personally, I think there is enough ammunition in Galatians for both Jews and Gentiles to fight the Judaizers. Of course, to accept this we cannot make the term “UNTO YOU” refer to an audience of Gentiles holding to a special Gentile gospel. It would apply to all believers, Jewish and Gentile both of whom had received one common gospel of salvation. This interpretation has the additional advantage of accepting the text as it stands without having to read between the lines.
As far as I can tell MAD is an well developed system of interpretation based on presuppositions founded on assumptions grounded in inferences drawn from disparate scriptures and interpreted by eisegesis. Despite its lack of exegetical foundation people get quite excited and committed to it…just as they do in a snipe hunt.
turbosixx
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I'm not understanding your point. I agree, the 12 did not understand but they preached what Jesus told them to preach. Jesus knew he was going to die and told them to preach "the kingdom is at hand". If Jesus had wanted them to preach his D,B & R, then they would have.
After Jesus' D,B & R, what are the 12 preaching?
Acts 2:22 “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. 24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him..........29 “Fellow Israelites, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. 30 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. 31 Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned to the realm of the dead, nor did his body see decay. 32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. 33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. 34 For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said,
“ ‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
35until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.” ’
36“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”
After proclaiming the gospel to them he tells them their sins will be forgiven in the name of Jesus.
Is Peter preaching the gospel of the kingdom? If so, could you please point it out to me, I don't see any mention of kingdom. I do see the D,B & R and the forgiveness of sins in Jesus name.
Because you satanically assert just one piece of good news in the bible, and, by that "argument," you must assert that your saint Judas preached the good news of 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV, you wicked child of hell. Or, you, being the embarrassment, ignoramus that you are, are clueless as to what the term "gospel" means. No other option, your wickedness.
Shasta
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Calvin had virtually no original theology. What he said he virtually lifted whole-cloth out of the works of Augustine. Calvin quoted Augustine over 400 times in his Institutes Augustine got the ideas from the Persian Gnosticism.
Before Augustine, orthodox Christian theologians unanimously affirmed freewill. These men stated in no uncertain terms that the ideas which we call TULIP were of pagan origin.
Maybe if Augustine had learned to read Greek he could have read the what his predecessors had said but he never acquired a working knowledge of it. If he could have read the original Greek text of scripture he would never have come up with doctrines like infant damnation and original sin. Those ideas came from a faulty translation of Romans 5:12 in the Latin Vulgate.
beloved57
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TULIP is the Gospel!
Yes, you idiot-"These are the words....Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures.."=the words he did tell them, he was assuring them, that they were to be fulfilled-but He did not tell them that he would die....be raised again-it was hid from them, embarrassment...
Luke 18 KJV
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
Read it. Read this:"this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken"
"....Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures."
=after the fact-not before.
You can't be this stupid.
"this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken"
vs.
"These are the words....Then opened he their understanding"
"What is the Gospel?"-thread topic
It's very simple. There is more than 1 piece of good news in the book, the context tells us which good news/gospel is being discussed. And thus, the "gospel(good news) of the kingdom," is not equivalent to the gospel/good news of 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV, as I demonstrated. A 6 year old can see this, but most alleged members of the boc cannot, as they log in, and lose their minds on this simple concept.
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When a Covenant of blood is made, the Covenant rules and guidelines must be followed exactly.
Jesus taught the rules and guidelines to a New Covenant. Jesus also shed his blood for the New Covenant.
We must obey Jesus exactly to enter the New Covenant.
Believe and obey is drinking his blood and eating his flesh.
Jesus gives pure water to drink after we eat and drink, the pure water which is the Holy Spirit, which is the gift, the inheritance, which is eternal life.
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Jesus tells us what to do to be saved, for he IS THE WAY.
We must drink Jesus' blood, and eat Jesus' flesh to have the gift, the gift which is the INHERITANCE, which is ETERNAL LIFE.
We drink Jesus' blood by merely believing Jesus.
However, we must also eat.
How do we eat?
We eat by obeying Jesus' teachings.
Jesus is the bread from heaven.
We do not eat unless we obey.
After we drink and eat, believe and obey, Jesus gives us pure water to drink.
What is this water? This water is the Holy Spirit.
We must drink Jesus' blood, and eat Jesus' flesh to have the gift, the gift which is the INHERITANCE, which is ETERNAL LIFE.
We drink Jesus' blood by merely believing Jesus.
However, we must also eat.
How do we eat?
We eat by obeying Jesus' teachings.
Jesus is the bread from heaven.
We do not eat unless we obey.
After we drink and eat, believe and obey, Jesus gives us pure water to drink.
What is this water? This water is the Holy Spirit.
SaulToPaul 2
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Is this when we are given the seal of meat?
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Paul is speaking to the Corinthian Gentiles. Paul says he is a minister of a NEW COVENANT.
2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
The Greater Glory of the New Covenant
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness!
Paul says he is a MINISTER of a NEW COVENANT, and that it is THE MINISTRY/COVENANT of the SPIRIT.
2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
The Greater Glory of the New Covenant
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness!
Paul says he is a MINISTER of a NEW COVENANT, and that it is THE MINISTRY/COVENANT of the SPIRIT.
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John 6:54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
John 6:55
For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
Luke 22:20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
SaulToPaul 2
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Is this when we are given the seal of meat?
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Here are more scriptures that show Paul taught the SAME new covenant as Jesus Christ taught while he walked the earth.
Romans 11:27
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
1 Corinthians 11:25
In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
2 Corinthians 2:12
[ Ministers of the New Covenant ] Now when I went to Troas to preach the gospel of Christ and found that the Lord had opened a door for me,
2 Corinthians 3:6
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2 Corinthians 3:7
[ The Greater Glory of the New Covenant ] Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was,
Galatians 3:15
[ The Law and the Promise ] Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case.
Galatians 3:17
What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.
Galatians 4:24
These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar.
Paul taught the SAME COVENANT that Jesus taught and DIED FOR.
Romans 11:27
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
1 Corinthians 11:25
In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
2 Corinthians 2:12
[ Ministers of the New Covenant ] Now when I went to Troas to preach the gospel of Christ and found that the Lord had opened a door for me,
2 Corinthians 3:6
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2 Corinthians 3:7
[ The Greater Glory of the New Covenant ] Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was,
Galatians 3:15
[ The Law and the Promise ] Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case.
Galatians 3:17
What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.
Galatians 4:24
These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar.
Paul taught the SAME COVENANT that Jesus taught and DIED FOR.
SaulToPaul 2
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Jesus shed his blood on the cross for the ONE AND ONLY NEW COVENANT.
Which has NADA to do with the subject/argument, you ignoramus, embarrassment.
different - not the same - un-identical - yep/yes yepper, yowza, affirmative, Si - adios