What happened at Pentecost?

[oatmeal]

Lying about me will not help your case.


:dizzy:


Peter said "this is THAT"... that's easy to understand for anyone not trying to twist it.


:luigi:

I am asking you a question.

Do you believe God knows what He is talking about?

Do you know what a metaphor is? What a parable is?

Are parables literal fact? Are metaphors literal fact? Are similes literal fact? Is hyperbole literal fact?

 

[oatmeal]

Anyone can understand that... except perhaps you.

So who was wrong?

Since there are discrepancies, who is in error?

 

[oatmeal]

Peter, his error was related to his error of Matthew 26:33.

And ye shall know that I [am] in the midst of Israel, and [that] I [am] YHWH אלהיכם, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed[יבשו].
And it shall come to pass afterward, [that] I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Joel 2:27-28

Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.
But after I am risen again, I will go before you into Galilee.
Peter answered and said unto him, Though all men shall be offended because of thee, yet will I never be offended.
Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the **** crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
Matthew 26:31-34

And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] the prophets shall be ashamed[יבשו] every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:
Zechariah 13:4

Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man [that is] my fellow, saith YHWH צבאות: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
Zechariah 13:7

Peter was not in error, he was making a comparison, he was not suggesting that the events on the day of Pentecost were a literal fulfillment of Joel's prophecy

 

[Idolater]

Hey you see this?

Experts are saying the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has been sending $2 billion annually to the Holy See since 2013, the year Pope Francis took office. The lucre is part of a CCP strategy for world domination to bribe, compromise and control Italy through the Vatican and the European Union through Italy. The deal between China and the Vatican seems traceable to the disgraced Theodore McCarrick​

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/vatican-china-sellout

He your bishop?

That's 14 billion to advance Marxism in America...wow...nice...thanks guys...way to RIP WASP America...after they hosted you this long...oh well Rev 13...

China doesn't allow the pope to select Chinese diocesan bishops without their approval. I don't know of any other country who forces themselves into the process of electing bishops.

 

[clefty]

China doesn't allow the pope to select Chinese diocesan bishops without their approval. I don't know of any other country who forces themselves into the process of electing bishops.

hmmm...avoid the gist of it and focus on a detail...one which "in full communion with Rome" covers I thought...or this

https://thehill.com/policy/internat...-seven-bishops-selected-by-chinese-government

which is two years old...who knows where they are now...unless you do?

So how much funding from Vatican do you estimate is given to Marxists et al here to pursue the counter reformation?

 

[Idolater]

hmmm...avoid the gist of it and focus on a detail...one which "in full communion with Rome" covers I thought...or this

https://thehill.com/policy/internat...-seven-bishops-selected-by-chinese-government

which is two years old...who knows where they are now...unless you do?

So how much funding from Vatican do you estimate is given to Marxists et al here to pursue the counter reformation?

You probably wouldn't know anything about China infringing your tradition's right to practice your religious traditions freely though I guess, huh? Your tradition even in China? No? Thought not. And you don't care not because you're a SDA or whatever, and us Catholics eat swine, but because you don't really believe in the right to religious liberty at all, do you? Thought not. What China's doing to the Catholic Church in China is criminal, human rights violation. You even care? Thought not. Coz we eat swine and go to Mass on Sunday instead of Saturday prolly.

 

[Theo102]

Peter was not in error, he was making a comparison, he was not suggesting that the events on the day of Pentecost were a literal fulfillment of Joel's prophecy

Wrong, he is saying that it was a fullfilment.

But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams
Acts 2:16-17

 

[clefty]

You probably wouldn't know anything about China infringing your tradition's right to practice your religious traditions freely though I guess, huh? Your tradition even in China? No? Thought not. And you don't care not because you're a SDA or whatever, and us Catholics eat swine, but because you don't really believe in the right to religious liberty at all, do you? Thought not. What China's doing to the Catholic Church in China is criminal, human rights violation. You even care? Thought not. Coz we eat swine and go to Mass on Sunday instead of Saturday prolly.

lol...don't get triggered bro...

Religious liberty? Religious rights? How many had to die to establish that right as your Church does NOT...and she remains at war with heretics and schismatics who dare think their Creator gave them inalienable rights to freely speak and worship as they chose...

So did you wish to address the 14 billion aid for Marxist expansion through your institution? Or just claim poor victim church as has distracted soo well...

Where there is no separation of church and state as your church is the state.

please recall:

Pope Gregory XVI's 1832 Mirari Vos condemns "liberty of conscience," freedom of the press, and separation of church and state. A "single evil" has caused the decline of powerful nations -- "immoderate freedom of opinion, license of free speech, and desire for novelty."

Pope Leo XIII gave some clarifications in Immortale Dei (1885) and Libetas Praestantissimum (1888). Yet these would not nullify Leo IX's Syllabus of Errors (1864), which include the error of holding "In the present day it is no longer expedient that the Catholic religion should be held as the only religion of the State, to the exclusion of all other forms of worship."

That Iron fist remains...

Rev 13 to fufill...

 

[Right Divider]

So who was wrong?

Since there are discrepancies, who is in error?

If you think that there are discrepancies, show them.

 

[Idolater]

lol...don't get triggered bro...

Religious liberty? Religious rights? How many had to die to establish that right as your Church does NOT...and she remains at war with heretics and schismatics who dare think their Creator gave them inalienable rights to freely speak and worship as they chose...

So did you wish to address the 14 billion aid for Marxist expansion through your institution? Or just claim poor victim church as has distracted soo well...

Where there is no separation of church and state as your church is the state.

please recall:

Pope Gregory XVI's 1832 Mirari Vos condemns "liberty of conscience," freedom of the press, and separation of church and state. A "single evil" has caused the decline of powerful nations -- "immoderate freedom of opinion, license of free speech, and desire for novelty."

Pope Leo XIII gave some clarifications in Immortale Dei (1885) and Libetas Praestantissimum (1888). Yet these would not nullify Leo IX's Syllabus of Errors (1864), which include the error of holding "In the present day it is no longer expedient that the Catholic religion should be held as the only religion of the State, to the exclusion of all other forms of worship."

That Iron fist remains...

Rev 13 to fufill...

Well you said it not me---you're triggered. Why else harp on Catholicism so hard that you're reduced to quoting something other than the Catechism? The Catechism (Pope St. John Paul II's, in case you dredge up something from the Roman or Baltimore) contains all the authorized Catholic teachings on all matters of faith and morals, if you have an issue then quote /cite the Catechism, and if you can't find it in there, then you're tilting at windmills, and that is what you're doing, just so you know.

 

[clefty]

Well you said it not me---you're triggered.

I am not attacking you personally claiming you don’t care cuz XYZ...I am asking you your response to your church that is funding Marxism to the decline of Protestant America...only made public because there is a traditional sect of catholics which reveal this because they are not happy with your pope...policy since V2...

Your care for catholic Chinese above protestant Americans is noted...and expected...

Why else harp on Catholicism so hard that you're reduced to quoting something other than the Catechism?

hey it’s your pope making clear the mission of your church as it is tearing up American cities as we speak.

The Catechism (Pope St. John Paul II's, in case you dredge up something from the Roman or Baltimore) contains all the authorized Catholic teachings on all matters of faith and morals, if you have an issue then quote /cite the Catechism, and if you can't find it in there, then you're tilting at windmills, and that is what you're doing, just so you know.

again avoiding the direct issue I am asking on...that your church is funding the demise of Protestant America...known only because your pope is such a Marxist traditional catholics want there pre V2 church back...

was just hoping you would answer to it...alas...ad Homs and derision and distractions is typical...at least yours is consistant successionally...LOL well until V2 and then it went overtly with its destructive counter reformation...and now seems to be a divide...not schism...yet...

Discussion on catechisms at this point is pointless anyway as yours will triumph and retain its “outside this church there is no salvation” or freedom of conscience or speech....or much of anything else...dark ages ahead...

so relax just giving credit where credit is due...for the RIP of Protestant America...deuz vult or something...

 

[Idolater]

I am not attacking you personally claiming you don’t care cuz XYZ...I am asking you your response to your church that is funding Marxism to the decline of Protestant America...only made public because there is a traditional sect of catholics which reveal this because they are not happy with your pope...policy since V2...

Your care for catholic Chinese above protestant Americans

Just wicked accusations on your part because you know it's false and you feel nothing for the gravity of what you're doing to me, because who knows, you're on the internet, you're anonymous, and John W's been right on more than one occasion and you're probably one of them: log in, lose your mind. Fits you to a t. You don't feel that what you're slinging around here has any weight because it's the internet, the social media, the web, whatever your sorry excuse is. Probably nobody irl listens to your crapola so you really ham it up here for me and whoever else is too impatient to just put you on ignore.

is noted...and expected...

You're a conspiratorialist, "as expected" since you also subscribe to a conspiratorial Christian tradition, requiring a vast conspiracy in order to "hide the evidence" that your spin on the One Church is the truth, when in fact it's pure and wild imagination "as expected" that same imagination wanders unjustifiably confidently into political and philosophical lands you know nothing of.

hey it’s your pope making clear the mission of your church as it is tearing up American cities as we speak.

You're so dramatic. Like gt. The mission of the Church is probably the same today as it always was, and it has nothing to do with a conspiratorial neo-Marxian plot. You're dreaming, you're imagining things, or you're one of John W's other famous accurate diagnoses of many TOL users, you're drunk.

again avoiding the direct issue I am asking on

Please tl ; dr it for me, as I've missed the direct issue, mostly because you were rambling---normal for you---posting links instead of summing up what you want to talk about, and constantly taunting me making me disinterested in whatever your attempts at a point was; this all along with, that you dance around, what you now want to call "the direct issue". You want to talk about money, you want to talk about China, you want to talk about Pope Francis, Vatican II, sedevacantism, that your bishop is Peter, what? Tell it to me straight, so I can answer you straight.

...that your church is funding the demise of Protestant America...known only because your pope is such a Marxist

lain: No one is a Marxist. Everybody knows Marxism is dead, the closest thing that's left is socialist liberalism, which at heart is liberalism. You're an alarmist.

traditional catholics want there pre V2 church back...

They want the Latin Mass back, or they think Peter's seat is currently vacant? You've mentioned both parties before, which one do you mean.

was just hoping you would answer to it...alas...ad Homs and derision and distractions is typical.

You're one of the worst gas lighters on TOL, and that is really saying something because TOL attracts gas lighters like flies to honey, but in a very brief time period you've outdone yourself and many others. It's classic gas lighting to accuse me of aggression when all I'm doing is defending myself against your passive aggression. Classic.

..at least yours is consistant successionally...LOL

See? Are you drunk? You make sense if you're drunk. This makes a lot of sense if you're drunk.

well until V2 and then it went overtly with its destructive counter reformation...and now seems to be a divide...not schism...yet...

None of that is true. Whole cloth. You made it up.

Discussion on catechisms at this point is pointless anyway as yours will triumph and retain its “outside this church there is no salvation” or freedom of conscience or speech....or much of anything else...dark ages ahead...

so relax just giving credit where credit is due...for the RIP of Protestant America...deuz vult or something...

What a feckless nincompoop. Address something in the Catechism, which is the Church's current position on everything, or I guess shut up because you're clearly just venting to me concerning the Catholic faith because somehow you're butthurt over the bishops not seeing the scriptures the way that you do, and instead they side with what the Apostles taught about them. Which means eat ham. And go to Mass on Sunday. Make Sunday the Lord's Day your sabbath. You hate that, so you devise a complicated and silly conspiracy that the Apostles think like you do, but they were overwhelmed by those who just wanted to change from Saturday to Sunday Mass, inexplicably, took complete control of all the bishops, and then scrubbed all evidence of the Apostles' actual teachings on the matter. Instead of just believing the scriptures, that teach that the bishops' primary job is to preserve precisely what the Apostles did teach. Your view almost couldn't be more wrong.

 

[clefty]

Just wicked accusations on your part because you know it's false and you feel nothing for the gravity of what you're doing to me, because who knows, you're on the internet, you're anonymous,

what do you expect from:

"Do you know who your bishop is Clefty? Bishop is a biblical office. The supreme pastor of a region, like James the bishop of Jerusalem, or Peter the eventual bishop of Rome, Timothy of Ephesus, Titus of Crete, etc. Later on Clement bishop of Rome (successor of Peter since that's Peter's see), Ignatius bishop of Antioch (also a Petrine see), and Polycarp bishop of Smyrna. It's a long, God-made tradition.

Do you know who your bishop is?"

A bow and kiss of your ring?

And to add insult to injury you continue your theft of all things first century as if they were Roman Catholic...

and John W's been right on more than one occasion and you're probably one of them: log in, lose your mind.

it's not my fault you continue to respond to a "lost his mind" one...demanding to submit papers of authenticity and authority as the Pharisees demanded of Him...the inquisition their victims...I mean do you demand of any other TOL member who their bishop is? as for John W he settled down...his own version of the inquisition...sadly that spirit was NOT monopolized by yours...protestants kill dissent and label heretics too...look around...

Fits you to a t. You don't feel that what you're slinging around here has any weight because it's the internet, the social media, the web, whatever your sorry excuse is. Probably nobody irl listens to your crapola so you really ham it up here for me and whoever else is too impatient to just put you on ignore.

and it continues this personal attack...hope you get the attention you need with your red flag waving and feel better attempting to slander me...my character...all this because I reminded you that your house is not in order...your bishops contested...your institution far from what Peter would recognize...

You're a conspiratorialist, "as expected" since you also subscribe to a conspiratorial Christian tradition, requiring a vast conspiracy in order to "hide the evidence" that your spin on the One Church is the truth, when in fact it's pure and wild imagination "as expected" that same imagination wanders unjustifiably confidently into political and philosophical lands you know nothing of.

Satan has been at work a long time Peter himself warned already of false teachers wolves...another gospel another christs

You're so dramatic. Like gt. The mission of the Church is probably the same today as it always was, and it has nothing to do with a conspiratorial neo-Marxian plot.

yes because the mission is to make the world catholic...Roman...as even China is learning...a continuance of the counter reformation

You're dreaming, you're imagining things, or you're one of John W's other famous accurate diagnoses of many TOL users, you're drunk.

nope...as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day...same defense used by Peter of those receiving the Spirit and gift to discern languages articulating truths to ALL the world...voluntarily and not by the sword...

Please tl ; dr it for me, as I've missed the direct issue, mostly because you were rambling---normal for you---posting links instead of summing up what you want to talk about, and constantly taunting me making me disinterested in whatever your attempts at a point was; this all along with, that you dance around, what you now want to call "the direct issue". You want to talk about money, you want to talk about China, you want to talk about Pope Francis, Vatican II, sedevacantism, that your bishop is Peter, what? Tell it to me straight, so I can answer you straight.

if you weren't so apoplectic you would see I merely wished your response to China funding Vatican it's "liberation theology" and perhaps the move within the church to the more traditional pre V2 church...a church militant which is indeed rising and actually and FINALLY admitting the church's efforts to RIP WASP America...

lain: No one is a Marxist. Everybody knows Marxism is dead, the closest thing that's left is socialist liberalism, which at heart is liberalism. You're an alarmist.

a watch man on the wall...entitled to false alarms as part of the job as better safe than sorry...

They want the Latin Mass back, or they think Peter's seat is currently vacant? You've mentioned both parties before, which one do you mean.

typically they are the same party...as I see it...if not by all means educate me...

You're one of the worst gas lighters on TOL, and that is really saying something because TOL attracts gas lighters like flies to honey, but in a very brief time period you've outdone yourself and many others. It's classic gas lighting to accuse me of aggression when all I'm doing is defending myself against your passive aggression. Classic.
See? Are you drunk? You make sense if you're drunk. This makes a lot of sense if you're drunk.
None of that is true. Whole cloth. You made it up.
What a feckless nincompoop.

feel better?

Address something in the Catechism,

no...wished for you to clarify your stance on your own bishop...if he taught as you did that ONLY the early church on that Pentecost was integrated with multi cultural membership...as if the OT church in the wilderness was NOT...

which is the Church's current position on everything, or I guess shut up because you're clearly just venting to me concerning the Catholic faith because somehow you're butthurt over the bishops not seeing the scriptures the way that you do, and instead they side with what the Apostles taught about them.

well that would fill a thread...but for now we clarified that on that Pentecost they were reminded of what the entire OT was...that ALL NATIONS were to worship and not just Jews...New Moon to New Moon Sabbath to Sabbath...does your bishop even keep new moons?

and we also answered who my bishop is and now I wait your response on China paying Vatican for its continued counter reformation...

Which means eat ham. And go to Mass on Sunday.

seems all the rage oh and football...not rest all day...the seventh day or eat clean meats...and no not bat meat washed...

Make Sunday the Lord's Day your sabbath. You hate that, so you devise a complicated and silly conspiracy that the Apostles think like you do, but they were overwhelmed by those who just wanted to change from Saturday to Sunday Mass, inexplicably, took complete control of all the bishops, and then scrubbed all evidence of the Apostles' actual teachings on the matter. Instead of just believing the scriptures, that teach that the bishops' primary job is to preserve precisely what the Apostles did teach. Your view almost couldn't be more wrong.

we'll see...

so far I can't get you to even comment on China paying 14 billion to the Vatican to continue its counter reformation...

 

[oatmeal]

Wrong, he is saying that it was a fullfilment.

But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams
Acts 2:16-17

Then please show detail by detail how Joel's prophecy was fulfilled on that day of Pentecost.

since you cannot, it is clearly a comparison, not a literal fulfillment

 

[JudgeRightly]

Then please show detail by detail how Joel's prophecy was fulfilled on that day of Pentecost.

since you cannot, it is clearly a comparison, not a literal fulfillment

Are you stupid?

Peter quotes this specific passage from Joel:

“And it shall come to pass afterward That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your old men shall dream dreams, Your young men shall see visions.And also on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days.“And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: Blood and fire and pillars of smoke.The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance, As the Lord has said, Among the remnant whom the Lord calls.​ - Joel 2:28-32 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joel2:28-32&version=NKJV

Here is where Peter quoted that passage, and what he said beforehand:

But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words.For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams.And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy.I will show wonders in heaven above And signs in the earth beneath: Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved.’​ - Acts 2:14-21 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts2:14-21&version=NKJV

Notice (if you have or use the NKJV) that this prophecy is one of many in Joel regarding the end times.

Allow me to go verse by verse through the passage in Acts, showing you where the portions of Joel's prophecy was being fulfilled. Acts 2:1-4 will be on top, and Joel 2:28-32 will be on bottom:

A: When the Day of Pentecost had fully come,
J: And it shall come to pass in the last days
(Note: It was the last days, as Jesus had said He was going to return soon)

A: they were all with one accord in one place.And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting.Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them.
J: says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh

A: And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
J: Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy
J: And they shall prophesy

As far as I'm aware, no one has said that the ENTIRE prophecy from Joel was fulfilled, only that it was being fulfilled.

And certainly no Mid-Acts Dispensationalist would say the entire prophecy from Joel 2:28-32 which Peter quoted in Acts 2:1-4 was fulfilled in its entirety.

Why?

Because we M'A'D'ists assert that the things in the prophecy in Joel that were NOT fulfilled were put on hold by God when He put Israel's Kingdom plans on hold. and turned to the Gentiles with a different plan kept secret since the foundation of the world for their salvation.

In other words: Jesus, who said He was going to return within the time it would take to go throughout all the cities in Israel, and certainly within each of their natural lifetimes, did not return, and thus what was in fact the end times have continued to this day, because His return is imminent, and has been since His ascension into Heaven.

 

[Theo102]

Then please show detail by detail how Joel's prophecy was fulfilled on that day of Pentecost.

since you cannot, it is clearly a comparison, not a literal fulfillment

I'm not claiming that it was fulfilled.
Your argument is a non sequitur.

 

[clefty]

What happened at Pentecost was that the One Church was born that day in Jerusalem. Acts 2:9-11 shows the very great diversity of nationalities present that day in Jerusalem. The Church from Day One was integrated, and not segregated.

Here’s a short video as to where things are now regarding this emphasis on great diversity:

https://youtu.be/4r_msOdHVT8

Most Protestants are not up to this speed as to this origin of the well intended ecumenical road of the common good...

certainly clueless to this liberation theology's end...

not even a peep of a protest

at the commander in chief of the world’s greatest strongest most powerfullest (once protestant) nation in the world

kneeling at an image in a pope's shrine after a warning letter from archbishop Vigano

Ironic this shrine is to an office that disavows and rejects religious liberty...


Hail victory or something right?

 

[Idolater]

Here’s a short video as to where things are now regarding this emphasis on great diversity:

https://youtu.be/4r_msOdHVT8

Yeah, I don't do that. Watch videos you post.

Most Protestants are not up to this speed as to this origin of the well intended ecumenical road of the common good...

certainly clueless to this liberation theology's end...

not even a peep of a protest

Not even a clue, which explains everything else. About you and all the Noncatholics. Not a clue.

at the commander in chief of the world’s greatest strongest most powerfullest (once protestant) nation in the world

kneeling at an image in a pope's shrine after a warning letter from archbishop Vigano

Thank you for sharing that! I've never seen the president kneel! Imagine that! Amazing! Everybody always talks about how he's a narcissist but here there's hard evidence, that he's anything but! You think actual narcissists would EVER kneel to anything or Anybody else? Wow. Just, wow. Thank you, again. My view of our president is different now.

Just so you know, you not being Catholic, "kneelers" are for the Lord only. We kneel to Him. If ever the pope comes to town, we kneel but on the left knee, not on the right, the right knee is for the Lord and for Him only. But what President Trump is doing, without qualification, is kneeling to the Lord Jesus Christ in that picture.

Ironic this shrine is to an office that disavows and rejects religious liberty...


Hail victory or something right?

lain:

Like I said, I'm too patient to put you right on ignore where you belong. You see there, how my weakness is actually strength? That's a lesson. It's not from me, it's from the Bible, from Paul. You probably know the scripture I'm referring to.

Pope St. John Paul II was dedicated to religious liberty because Catholicism is liberal, and liberals believe in the right to religious liberty, something the Church ought to know quite well by now, since at her start she needed to fight for the right herself (ALL of her martyrs, died justly exercising their human right to religious liberty), and then at the Reformation she witnessed the rebellion that occurred when the right is not defended!

What were you talking about again?

 

[oatmeal]

Are you stupid?

Peter quotes this specific passage from Joel:

“And it shall come to pass afterward That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your old men shall dream dreams, Your young men shall see visions.And also on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days.“And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: Blood and fire and pillars of smoke.The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance, As the Lord has said, Among the remnant whom the Lord calls.​ - Joel 2:28-32 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joel2:28-32&version=NKJV

Here is where Peter quoted that passage, and what he said beforehand:

But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words.For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams.And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy.I will show wonders in heaven above And signs in the earth beneath: Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved.’​ - Acts 2:14-21 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts2:14-21&version=NKJV

Notice (if you have or use the NKJV) that this prophecy is one of many in Joel regarding the end times.

Allow me to go verse by verse through the passage in Acts, showing you where the portions of Joel's prophecy was being fulfilled. Acts 2:1-4 will be on top, and Joel 2:28-32 will be on bottom:

A: When the Day of Pentecost had fully come,
J: And it shall come to pass in the last days
(Note: It was the last days, as Jesus had said He was going to return soon)

A: they were all with one accord in one place.And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting.Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them.
J: says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh

A: And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
J: Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy
J: And they shall prophesy

As far as I'm aware, no one has said that the ENTIRE prophecy from Joel was fulfilled, only that it was being fulfilled.

And certainly no Mid-Acts Dispensationalist would say the entire prophecy from Joel 2:28-32 which Peter quoted in Acts 2:1-4 was fulfilled in its entirety.

Why?

Because we M'A'D'ists assert that the things in the prophecy in Joel that were NOT fulfilled were put on hold by God when He put Israel's Kingdom plans on hold. and turned to the Gentiles with a different plan kept secret since the foundation of the world for their salvation.

In other words: Jesus, who said He was going to return within the time it would take to go throughout all the cities in Israel, and certainly within each of their natural lifetimes, did not return, and thus what was in fact the end times have continued to this day, because His return is imminent, and has been since His ascension into Heaven.

Enough with your insults

You only prove that you have no scripture to stand on.

Quoting scripture is not a God given guarantee of fulfillment

The spirit was not poured upon all flesh on the day of Pentecost. Scripture specifies that only the twelve apostles spoke in tongues.

It is clear that the about 3000 likewise spoke in tongues from the context but it is not specifically stated

There is no specific mention of women receiving the gift of holy spirit on the day of Pentecost.

Nor is there any mentions of anyone giving forth prophecy on the day of Pentecost

 

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Enough with your insults

Where did I insult you? I asked if you were stupid, I didn't call you stupid, though I'm starting to think you really are.

You only prove that you have no scripture to stand on.

Are you blind? or just trolling?

Do you not read the posts you respond to or what?

You're also a hypocrite, because not once did you quote any scripture yourself in your post when you accused me of not providing scripture, when I provided multiple passages relevant to the topic.

Quoting scripture is not a God given guarantee of fulfillment

Yet you won't quote any to defend your position. You only quote a verse or two here and there, and then support it (or attempt to) with your own beliefs on what you think it should say, rather than recognizing what it ACTUALLY says.

The spirit was not poured upon all flesh on the day of Pentecost.

Again, where did ANYONE say that the ENTIRE PROPHECY was fulfilled?

Scripture specifies that only the twelve apostles spoke in tongues.

And?

It is clear that the about 3000 likewise spoke in tongues from the context but it is not specifically stated

And?

There is no specific mention of women receiving the gift of holy spirit on the day of Pentecost.

And?

Nor is there any mentions of anyone giving forth prophecy on the day of Pentecost

You're confusing "prophecy" ('see') with "prophesy" ('sigh').

The former is a noun, the latter a verb.

"Prophesy" means to speak the words of God, something the Twelve clearly did. That is what the prophecy in Joel was about, and it was certainly, at least partly, fulfilled.