Trump, Evangelicals, and the Road Ahead

[Town Heretic]

"I have great relationship with God. I have great relationship with the Evangelicals. I like to be good. I don't like to have to ask for forgiveness. And I am good. I don't do a lot of things that are bad. I try to do nothing that is bad." Donald Trump answering a question recently on CNN relating to a prior statement on whether he had ever asked God for forgiveness: "I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't."

And he's winning the evangelical vote? lain:

 

[Arthur Brain]

So what has he done that is so wrong? What has he said that's so wrong?

He certainly isn't politically correct...no doubt about that, but so do the real people of the world.

Watch "You've Been Trumped" and see how he treats 'common' people in Scotland and all because he wanted to build a golf course on conserved land. Yeah, what a guy...

lain:

 

[Nick M]

Since when should we value the opinions of moderates Nick? They can't even decide which side of the fence to get on.

What does this comment have to do with moderates not voting for Trump because Trump is not a Republican?

 

[journey]

Ted Cruz is a Conservative Christian, and I think that he will try hard to keep his word. Cruz would shake, rattle, and roll the Washington political establishment. As a contrast, Trump isn't close to being a Conservative, and I frankly have doubts about the depth of his Christian connections. I don't have the same doubts about Cruz. This is all before getting into any of the policy issues. Donald Trump would have to be led by the hand everywhere, so we would have to trust unknowns to advise and lead him. There's too much at stake, but I will vote for Trump if he's the last man standing against Clinton or Sanders.

 

[Nick M]

I don't question Ted Cruz as being the best choice. I just want people to notice that Ronald Reagan's landslide victories, especially in 84, were not because of unified Republican support. It is because of the middle 20%

 

[glorydaz]

Evidently your standards for the Office of the President of the United States aren't very high.

Ted Cruz's father, Rafael, had people like you in mind when he gave this interview to Steve Deace.

Rafael Cruz Slams Trump and Evangelicals Who Vote for Him


Deace framed his question carefully, asking, “How in the world does Donald Trump win evangelical voters in South Carolina? What does that say about where we’re at as a church, or does it say anything about where we’re at as a church across the board?”

The question was a great one because Cruz’s son Ted Cruz is running for president and was expected to dominate the Evangelical vote. Trump has somehow ended up doing that in spite of insults to the community and a demonstrated lack of ecclesiastical know-how. Because of this, Cruz was all too ready with his answer:

Well, I think that they’re defining evangelicals in a very loose manner.

Oh, shut up if you're going to continue being a jerk.

We aren't voting for a person who fits our "religious standards", but for a person who is best able to keep us from going off a cliff.

And, if I was voting according to my "religious standards" it sure wouldn't be for the biggest hypocrite on the stage...Ted Cruz. I'm sick of the Jimmy Swaggarts of the world, but I can see you like them.

 

[ok doser]

Watch "You've Been Trumped" and see how he treats 'common' people in Scotland....

like staggering alcoholics?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Oh, shut up if you're going to continue being a jerk.

I'm exposing a fraud that is running for President of the United States and his either immoral or terribly confused followers. Which are you?

We aren't voting for a person who fits our "religious standards", but for a person who is best able to keep us from going off a cliff.

First of all, there is a world of difference in your "religious standard" and those who follow Christ. As far as what is needed when it comes to a leader of our nation:

Secular humanists have been responsible for the moral decay of our country (abortion, homosexuality, big government bureaucracy, etc.), Donald Trump is no different. If you'd done your homework you'd know.

And, if I was voting according to my "religious standards" it sure wouldn't be for the biggest hypocrite on the stage...Ted Cruz. I'm sick of the Jimmy Swaggarts of the world, but I can see you like them.

Yeah, I've never been impressed with people like Donald Trump who is an unrepentant adulterer, was on the cover of the woman-hating SMUT Playboy magazine, who supports "much of Planned Parenthood" and defended partial birth abortion in the past, and someone who promised a homosexual activist that the LGBTQ agenda would be strengthened under his Presidency. Etc. Etc. Etc.

You obviously are.

 

[glorydaz]

I'm exposing a fraud that is running for President of the United States and his either immoral or terribly confused followers. Which are you?

You're choosing to expose ONE of the frauds running for President.

I'm neither immoral or confused, but if it makes you feel superior to say that, it's your problem not mine. I understand exactly why I'm supporting Trump.....he is not a politician, and he might actually be able to get something done and get this country back on it's feet.

 

[The Berean]

Sorry Patrick but Donald Trump is nothing other than a wealthy opportunist looking for political glory and that's it. If you honestly think he would give a darn about you or American people in general then seriously dude, think about it. He just wants the mantle of president and probably wouldn't care that much if he was booted out before a second term as long as he attained it...

Ya know Trump is starting to remind me of the fictional character Lex Luthor when he ran for President. Replace Luthor's name with "Trump" and this scene still makes sense.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

You're choosing to expose ONE of the frauds running for President.

Based on Donald Trump's background (adulterer, SMUT magazine promoter, defender of partial birth abortion, etc. etc. etc, the other candidates look like innocent babes in their mother's arms.

I'm neither immoral or confused, but if it makes you feel superior to say that, it's your problem not mine. I understand exactly why I'm supporting Trump.....he is not a politician, and he might actually be able to get something done and get this country back on it's feet.

As mentioned before, Donald Trump did an exploratory run for President back in 2000 for the Reform Party. While he didn't run (mob connection and various other things made him think twice) he's a politician.

 

[glorydaz]

Based on Donald Trump's background (adulterer, SMUT magazine promoter, defender of partial birth abortion, etc. etc. etc, the other candidates look like innocent babes in their mother's arms.

As people age they settle down. Their views change. How many of us were liberals before we became conservatives? You can talk about a person's past faults all you like, but that only proves what they were in the past. I'd much rather have a person that grows than one who covers his faults and pretends they don't exist. We can put someone in office who won't budge from his principles and gets NOWHERE....gets nothing done because he is so nasty he can't even get along with his peers....or we can put someone in office who can convince others to come to his view. You can't get things done by reading Green Eggs and Ham on the Senate Floor.



What happened to Ben Carson? What happened to Governor Huckabee?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

As people age they settle down. Their views change. How many of us were liberals before we became conservatives? You can talk about a person's past faults all you like, but that only proves what they were in the past. I'd much rather have a person that grows than one who covers his faults and pretends they don't exist.

Repentance is a wonderful thing. The only problem is, the man who might be the next President of the United States has never repented for his sins. He's publically announced that He's never asked for God's forgiveness.

We can put someone in office who won't budge from his principles and gets NOWHERE....gets nothing done because he is so nasty he can't even get along with his peers....or we can put someone in office who can convince others to come to his view. You can't get things done by reading Green Eggs and Ham on the Senate Floor.

Obviously you like a candidate who doesn't have a firm set of principles. If you're following Donald Trump, you'd know that he often times changes his stance on something that he's said the very next day.

 

[glorydaz]

Repentance is a wonderful thing. The only problem is, the man who might be the next President of the United States has never repented for his sins. He's publically announced that He's never asked for God's forgiveness.

And we have strong Christians on this site who say we never have to ask God's forgiveness....we believe unto righteousness. We believe and trust He took care of all sin on the cross.

I'm not claiming Trump knows or does not know the Lord. I'm not convinced many of the others who have run for office know the Lord, either. We aren't choosing an elder for the church, we're picking a President.

Obviously you like a candidate who doesn't have a firm set of principles. If you're following Donald Trump, you'd know that he often times changes his stance on something the very next day.

Obviously you like to make stupid judgments about what others think. I'm quite sure Trump has a firm set of principles, and changing one's stance on an issue speaks of growth and not stubborn pride. The more a person learns, their stance should change....being stuck on stupid or being obsessed with one's own understanding can be a horrible thing.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Repentance is a wonderful thing. The only problem is, the man who might be the next President of the United States has never repented for his sins. He's publically announced that He's never asked for God's forgiveness.

And we have strong Christians on this site who say we never have to ask God's forgiveness....we believe unto righteousness. We believe and trust He took care of all sin on the cross.

Then have those "strong Christians" come forward and I can ask them if they were ever on the cover of Playboy magazine and if they had a conversation with God about it.

I'm not claiming Trump knows or does not know the Lord.

I've made the claim that Donald Trump is a godless pervert and I still stand by it; if you can, refute that claim.

I'm not convinced many of the others who have run for office know the Lord, either. We aren't choosing an elder for the church, we're picking a President.

Maybe it's just me but I'll trust an elder of a church over a pornographer any day.

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Obviously you like a candidate who doesn't have a firm set of principles. If you're following Donald Trump, you'd know that he often times changes his stance on something the very next day.

Obviously you like to make stupid judgments about what others think. I'm quite sure Trump has a firm set of principles, and changing one's stance on an issue speaks of growth and not stubborn pride. The more a person learns, their stance should change....being stuck on stupid or being obsessed with one's own understanding can be a horrible thing.

As I'd mentioned before: Donald Trump depends on the loyalty of his followers. Without a doubt his followers are ignorant to what Donald Trump truly stands for. That ignorance is on you, not me, because I'm only trying to educate you when it comes to the truth.

 

[kmoney]

"I have great relationship with God. I have great relationship with the Evangelicals. I like to be good. I don't like to have to ask for forgiveness. And I am good. I don't do a lot of things that are bad. I try to do nothing that is bad." Donald Trump answering a question recently on CNN relating to a prior statement on whether he had ever asked God for forgiveness: "I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't."

And he's winning the evangelical vote? lain:

Hopefully that evangelical vote isn't because of their religion. As some will say, they aren't voting for a pastor.

 

[kmoney]

So what has he done that is so wrong? What has he said that's so wrong?

He certainly isn't politically correct...no doubt about that, but so do the real people of the world.

Read the article in the opening post.

 

[glorydaz]

Read the article in the opening post.

Yes, I know....the "musings and whatnot" of an opinion piece.



I've watched it all, and I've seen how the game is played.

 

[Arthur Brain]

If you'd done your homework Art, you'd know that Donald Trump espouses all of the liberal values that people like you and patrick jane love so dearly:

Abortion, homosexuality, government healthcare, etc.

I'd heard on a conservative talk show the other night that many Bernie Sanders supporters will support Trump if Mrs. Bill Clinton should get the democratic nomination. That speaks loudly about Trump.

Oh get a grip aCW. Trump is about as 'liberal' or 'conservative' as a bowl of cornflakes so don't try muddying the waters just because I despise his ego driven agenda. His 'values' don't match mine in the slightest so get your obsession with homosexuality out of the way for a change and focus on the issue for once. I could care less what 'conservative radio show' you listened to frankly.

 

[journey]

There's no doubt about it - Trump is a very liberal Democrat hiding in a Republican primary. I have no idea why he decided to become a Republican, but I don't think it was for the right reasons.