Trad, do you dislike black people?

[ClimateSanity]

From what I understand, this is rather common, and many white women, in fact, feel pressured into dating black men simply because they fear being labeled racists.

As I've said before:

Integration has proved an unmitigated disaster for white people. Ultimately, it spells "death" for our race and for our culture. Segregation was far, far better for us.

I was in defense of you before but this is too much. Can you give stats to back this up?

 

[glorydaz]

Nah. Right now I'm feeling remarkably mellow. Just submitted my first lesson plan. I think the kids are going to have a hoot with it. Scientific pet detectives all, solving the Great Pet Mystery. At the root of it they're going to have to distinguish between living organisms and nonliving objects. My students are part of my agency and we've been retained by five students who don't know how to distinguish between the two and figure out which of them has an actual pet.

There's Jack, with his cat Seven. Ann has two sunflowers, Chlora and Phil. Darius has Stu, the fish. Bell has a pet dolly named Manny and Robert has a rock named Mr. Turner.

There's the story at launch and a series of clues with visuals (a Power Point) that will lead to class discussion and a lot of pasting. I'm trying to design formative assessments that will be engaging and fun. Basically be the teacher I would have enjoyed as a kid.

Just when I was about to say how cute that was....and cool, too. My grandson loves when I engage him at his own level.




But, alas, you can't help but show me what a pompous man you are under that mask. :think:

What were we talking about again? :think: Nothing important. Just keep plugging. You'll get where you need to go.

Such delusions of grandeur. I'm so far beneath your high holiness that you nearly forgot I was here. Then, like the Pope sprinkling me with holy water, you pass on.

 

[Traditio]

I was in defense of you before but this is too much. Can you give stats to back this up?

To back what up?

The thing about white women feeling pressured to date blacks?

Or about us being better off during segregation?

If you mean the former, then no. I do, however, recall reading something to that effect not too long ago, though. Though, for the life of me, I can't remember where.

A4T certainly did provide a compelling illustration of it, though. Do you think that her case was an anomaly? If her case was not an anomaly, are you telling me that no white women ever cave in for fear of being labeled racists, which, apparently, is so horrible a crime in this country that it can cost you your friends, job prospects, social status, etc?

If you mean the latter, then I must admit my surprise that you don't consider the proposition self-evident. Segregation favored white people...pretty much by design. It seems almost tautologous for me to claim that whites were better off.

Unless, of course, you think that social communion with blacks is so intrinsic and valuable a good. But I must disagree. :idunno:

 

[Traditio]

And while we're on the topic of me admitting my surprise about things: have you people really been arguing about me for the past 5 pages? lain:

 

[The Berean]

From what I understand, this is rather common, and many white women, in fact, feel pressured into dating black men simply because they fear being labeled racists.

As I've said before:

Integration has proved an unmitigated disaster for white people. Ultimately, it spells "death" for our race and for our culture. Segregation was far, far better for us.

What the heck is "white" culture? You speak as if there is some monolithic "white" culture. There is no such thing. There is Italian culture, German culture, Irish culture, Swedish culture, Portuguese culture, Spanish culture, Polish culture, Greek culture, Finnish culture, Norwegian culture, etc. Do you even know your actual cultural heritage besides a appealing to a generic "white" culture?

 

[glorydaz]

I find your taking issue with her word usage typically snotty and condescending.

It comes so naturally to him that he can't even see it, and it would take an act of God for him to ever admit it. I keep waiting, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Traditio]

What the heck is "white" culture? You speak as if there is some monolithic "white" culture. There is no such thing. There is Italian culture, German culture, Irish culture, Swedish culture, Portuguese culture, Spanish culture, Polish culture, Greek culture, Finnish culture, Norwegian culture, etc. Do you even know your actual cultural heritage besides a appealing to a generic "white" culture?

I'm a Southern white guy. It's a thing. :idunno:

 

[glorydaz]

Isn't it che Guevara?

Oh goodness.....I thought it was the guy from Planet of the Apes. :shocked:

 

[ClimateSanity]

Oh, so you're claiming that Trad's dislike for black people is worse than your dislike for me?

Yes, I can just see your little mind turning and saying, "But I really do love you as much as I love myself." No, Town, I'm not buying it that you love any more than Trad does. You've just played the hypocrite so long you see others as less than you see yourself, and have no room at all to find fault with Trad concerning his feeling toward any particular race of people.




I'm hoping to drive a wedge between you and your ego, and I plan on continuing in that effort. :thumb:

Yes, disliking a whole group of people is inexcusable but disliking an individual is OK? He can be as nasty as he wants to as many individuals as he wants and he is OK with God. The first time he judges a group of people however, he will be a sinner according to.him.

 

[ClimateSanity]

To back what up?

The thing about white women feeling pressured to date blacks?

Or about us being better off during segregation?

If you mean the former, then no. I do, however, recall reading something to that effect not too long ago, though. Though, for the life of me, I can't remember where.

A4T certainly did provide a compelling illustration of it, though. Do you think that her case was an anomaly? If her case was not an anomaly, are you telling me that no white women ever cave in for fear of being labeled racists, which, apparently, is so horrible a crime in this country that it can cost you your friends, job prospects, social status, etc?

If you mean the latter, then I must admit my surprise that you don't consider the proposition self-evident. Segregation favored white people...pretty much by design. It seems almost tautologous for me to claim that whites were better off.

Unless, of course, you think that social communion with blacks is so intrinsic and valuable a good. But I must disagree. :idunno:

The first two points to start would be nice. Whites may have been better off in some ways but most importantly, it was a hateful existence. Segregation is never good for a democracy. All you have to do is look at the former Yugoslavia.

 

[glorydaz]

To back what up?

The thing about white women feeling pressured to date blacks?

There certainly is a stigma for white women who don't want to date blacks....they're called racists (whatever their actual reason may be).

Or about us being better off during segregation?

Well, whites were certainly better off during segregation. They got to ride in the front of the bus and drink out of the nice drinking fountains. Which is the very point you're making I'm thinking.

 

[Traditio]

There certainly is a stigma for white women who don't want to date blacks....they're called racists (whatever their actual reason may be).

Yup.

Well, whites were certainly better off during segregation. They got to ride in the front of the bus and drink out of the nice drinking fountains. Which is the very point you're making I'm thinking.

And much more besides, all of which boiled down to: they didn't have to deal with black people the majority of the time. :cloud9:

And you know what?

I have a suspicion (I don't have the data to prove this, but I have a suspicion nonetheless) that whites were probably victimized by blacks much less often. Mainly because blacks knew what would happen if they even tried.

 

[Traditio]

Whites may have been better off in some ways but most importantly, it was a hateful existence.

Have you talked to southern white people who were alive during segregation?

I have. They don't like Martin Luther King Jr. At all.

 

[glorydaz]

Yup.



And much more besides, all of which boiled down to: they didn't have to deal with black people the majority of the time. :cloud9:

And you know what?

I have a suspicion (I don't have the data to prove this, but I have a suspicion nonetheless) that whites were probably victimized by blacks much less often. Mainly because blacks knew what would happen if they even tried.

Obviously, the whites weren't victimized as much.

The blacks, though were certainly being victimized by whites.

But, in this day and age, I'm thinking it's probably pretty even.

 

[Traditio]

Obviously, the whites weren't victimized as much.

As I said. We were better off.

But, in this day and age, I'm thinking it's probably pretty even.

No. No, it isn't. Look up crime statistics. It's not even. At all.

In large part, I suspect, because of integration, the waning of the KKK's influence (not, of course, to express any support for that organization), the waning of lynch mobs (not, of course, to express any support for this practice), etc.

 

[glorydaz]

Whites may have been better off in some ways but most importantly, it was a hateful existence.

Like every other existence, there were people with hate in their hearts and there were people without any hate at all. People get into a particular way of life without really thinking about the ramifications of what's going on around them. But, it's always painful to those without the hate to see the suffering around them, so I certainly agree with your main point.

 

[bybee]

I find you abrasive and redundant - :devil:

Ditto!

 

[Traditio]

Actually, Glorydaz, I simply must bring up AnnaBenedetti here:

If you view the White Power Music thread, I asked her the same question:

When the KKK and lynch mobs were a thing, were white people victimized, compared to now, by blacks:

A. More
B. Less
C. About the same amount

She refused to answer this question. I assume, of course, that if she thought that the answer were A or C, she would have been quick to say so, and hastily dispel my "racist" notions.

She didn't.

 

[patrick jane]

There certainly is a stigma for white women who don't want to date blacks....they're called racists (whatever their actual reason may be).

Maybe they're not attracted black men, it doesn't mean they're racist :duh:

 

[glorydaz]

As I said. We were better off.

:rotfl:

No. No, it isn't. Look up crime statistics. It's not even. At all.

In large part, I suspect, because of integration, the waning of the KKK's influence (not, of course, to express any support for that organization), the waning of lynch mobs (not, of course, to express any support for this practice), etc.

Well you're probably correct about the stats, but I think the reason is because of the way the government made blacks the victims....they just moved them off the plantations and turned the government into the benevolent slave holder. Thus your thoughts on Affirmative Action being a contributer holds merit.