London's Muslim mayor Sadiq Khan believes Islam is completely compatible within Western Society yet studies contradict this claim.
They don't. First, even taking your reading a large number of Muslims could comfortably exist within Western compacts. Why? Because only 23% of them believe that Sharia law should be used in place of the prevailing law. That means that 77% are okay with living by the laws established.
Below are the results of a study on a representative 1081 muslims of the more than 3 million living in Britain:
You should cite the study. That way we can look at the authority and methodology. If it's the one I'm thinking of (the ICM polling) the MCB has already attacked the methodology, polling within larger Muslim concentrations of the poor, by way of, where the more conservative view is more likely to be evidenced.
You should read the latest from Pew on the divide in Islam over national law (
link).
If you look at it you'll find that in countries like Turkey, Burkino Faso, Lebanon and Indonesia less than a quarter of the population even supports the notion of the Quran usurping the existing, secular law. Essentially, where you find Western traditions in place and a regard for democracy you find populations that, as with Christianity here, exist comfortably within a secular context where some disagreement is inevitable, but far from fatal or even violent in nature.
Another interesting point of departure, in Turkey, the shift is toward the Western notion of secular government. In 2012, some 27% of citizens in Turkey thought the Quaran shouldn't even influence their laws. Today that figure is 36%.
Something to consider about your data. First, Britain has had a large influx of Muslims from areas lacking a Western tradition. More like Pakistan and less like Turkey, as Muslim citizens go. So the pool isn't indicative of the point, necessarily. Or representative of what will tend to happen as generations remain within Western confines (see: Turkey, etc.).
But let's look at what's here within its context.
Only 74 percent completely condemn “suicide bombing to fight injustice”;
What does "completely" mean? (rhetorical) We have 26% who won't utterly dismiss it within a hypothetical where it was used to oppose "injustice". That's vague enough to be problematic, even while noting that three quarters of the Muslims are living peaceably within the framework of our laws and contrary to your notion that they can't by it's murky light. And let's distinguish between "completely condemn" and "participate". Because you might sympathize with the monk who self-immolates in the name of protest without either being willing to facilitate or join in the conduct.
And what level of injustice are we talking about? Would any Christian consider sacrificing his life to end a thing he thought of as intrinsically evil? I think we've done that a few times in history.
Only 66 percent completely condemn stoning those who commit adultery;
I've read Christians who condone death for adulterers. But you're really noting that even within this fairly conservative sampling the strong majority reject the practice.
Only 53 percent completely condemn violence against those who mock Muhammad;
How many Americans would completely condemn unspecified violence against a Muslim spitting on the American flag? Careful with those stones (either). But about half recognize you have to take discomfort in a Western setting. I'd like to see our polling on my question. I'm wondering if we'd get the half. It's not that hard to paint with these sort of questions.
Only 34 percent would contact police if they believed someone close to them was involved with jihadism;
Unsurprising in poor, everyone knows everyone social sub-stratas. A bit like the relation between the poor and our own police.
23 percent believe Sharia law should replace British law in areas with large Muslim populations;
Meaning the overwhelming majority don't. And you also need to look into what manifestation of Sharia. Pew has and I related it in another thread. What you'd find is that even among those who want Sharia, they mostly want it a) in civil, not criminal matters and b) want it for Muslims and not for the general population. But that sort of in depth will really narrow the sensational point, so you'll have to go to more legitimate and objective purveyors of polling, like Pew, to find it.
52 percent believe homosexuality should be illegal;
A near even split.
Only 54% of mainline Protestants believe homosexuality should be accepted by society. (Pew, Dec. 2015
link) And, according to Pew we're the 13th most accepting country on the point in the entire world. If you think about the implications of that the numbers inside a narrowed slice of Islam are actually encouraging.
31 percent believe polygamy should be legal;
Makes sense given the traditions and backgrounds. There are many outside of Islam who would likely agree or at least wonder why it is our business.
39 percent believe women should always obey their husbands;
Ohboy, there goes Crucible, heading to Mecca.
More seriously, set this poll in play: should Christians support wives disobeying their husbands? See what happens. Now I'm already on the record stating that if you have to get someone to "obey" you in a marriage you're doing it wrong, that if we love and put the other first the impact of that will negate the point, but go on and ask and see how easy, again, it is to paint with a question.
35 percent believe Jews have too much power in the UK.
So 65% of the generally less affluent, less educated and more conservative Muslims still aren't crazy enough to buy into a racist mindset? Sweet. :thumb:
Is the Muslim mayor correct or is Donald Trump
Clearly, the Mayor of London is right, unless you squint and pretend or play with the data.
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