Oh yea, and from such a credible source the UN, definitely cracks me up what crock :rotfl:
toldailytopic: What can be done to help prevent the epidemic of school shootings?
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Oh yea, and from such a credible source the UN, definitely cracks me up what crock :rotfl:
In other words, you cannot back up your claim that lack of belief in evolution is related to mass shootings, thanks.
Animals are unconcerned about murder. Natural selection in fact would be best served by ridding itself of the weak and those who do not contribute best to ensuring the greatest and strongest survive.
Sure he can, did you not see that fancy graph courtesy of the UN? Hey it was the only source he could find that was pushing that bilge and we all know the UN has no agenda's. :chuckle:
Tinark
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I was not the one that made this claim. All I claimed is what I have written. Try rereading my posts.
What I posted was evidence _counter_ to the claim that was asserted that a lower public acceptance of evolution leads to lower crime/fewer mass shootings. My evidence means that it is _far less likely_ to be true, based on the strong negative correlation.
It is those who have made the claim that have provided zero evidence in support of their contention.
Wrong, your evidence just shows who believes in the evolution the least according to the UN.
Nothing you posted relates any of it to mass shootings.
Tinark
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It is a well establised fact, beyond any reasonable doubt, that crime rates are far lower in these godless European and Asian countries that have far higher acceptance of evolution. Especially the homicide rate. The U.N. is not the only source for crime statistics. These countries each have their own crime statistics which is all completely consistent.
These crime data are not in any way controversial for anyone who doesn't shut their brain off and denies reality when a fact contradicts their belief.
Tinark
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It is not in any way controversial that the U.S. (1) has the lowest public acceptance of evolution out of all modern industralized countries, with the exception of Turkey (which is still more-so a developing economy rather than an a developed industralized economy, but it is getting close), and (2) the U.S. has the highest rate of mass shootings per 100,000 (by far) out of any modern industralized country in the entire world.
I posted murder rate vs. public acceptance of evolution, which is close enough.
No, its not close enough to anything to back your claim. Tell me, does the mass shooter in the thread believe in creation or evolution?
Then show how that belief caused him to do this.
Good luck.
Then show some credible sources that show all these established facts that you feel are so indisputable, the UN hardly makes your case. Next you are predisposed to thinking this is a society where the majority have religion which you would have prove. America like europe has a mix of both religious and secular. Lets see the data that proves your case but, it will take more than some ambiguous graph from the UN to do it.
Your data is bunch of UN crap hardly any science in it more like pushing an agenda. You also are an atheist so your brain has been shut off for some time to things that contradict your worldview and we are supposed to believe you because you say so, as does your atheist brethren at the UN? you will have to do better than that to prove your assertion...so far it's a fail.
I can sell that to the corn and soybean farmers to fertilize their fields. What a truckload of manure!
Tinark
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I did not say his belief in creationism/evoltion had any impact on his decision to engage in mass killings. It was _others_ that have claimed that. I have claimed that there is a strong negative correlation between percent of people that belief in God and accept evolution and murder rates. I am having difficulty finding a source that provides data on the frequency of mass shootings by country, so I amend my claim to be related to rates of murder, which is close enough.
What you are doing is called shifting the burden of proof, which is a logical fallacy. The burden of proof is on the person making a claim.
The only claims I've made, I've already backed up.
Tell me Angel4Truth, why do you not demand a similar standard of evidence for those who have made the claim that "We need to bring God back into the classroom and stop teaching evolution in order to reduce the number of mass shootings"?
The burden of proof is on you because you are the on floating the fallacy trying to prop it up with non-credible unscientific graphs from a non-credible source.
Not so much...
Tinark
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Once again, these facts aren't in any way controversial to anyone that has actually taken the time to look at the data of crime rates by country, belief in God and/or Christanity by country, and public acceptance of evolution.
I have posted a graph of the murder rate vs. public acceptance of evolution. The standard rebuttal tactic is (1) post a reason, with sources why the raw data used is wrong and (2) post one's own set of data that backs up one's assertion.
Which statement have I made do you specifically disagree with?
1. Do you disagree that the U.S. has the highest rate of mass shootings out of all modern industralized nations?
2. Do you disagree that the U.S. has the lowest public acceptance of evolution out of all modern industralized countries (with the exception of Turkey)
3. Do you disagree that those countries that have the lowest rates of violent crime in the world are countries that have the lowest belief in God and the highest public acceptance of evolution?
These facts are so well established, that I feel like I've entered the Twilight Zone that people would deny reality to such an extent.
However, feel free to humor me. Please post any evidence whatsoever that any of the three items above are in fact false.
Tinark
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False. The burden of proof is on the person or persons making the claim that if we stop teaching evolution and insert the Bible in the classroom, we'd have fewer mass shootings. This is basic logic 101.
What you are essentially saying is that I have to prove this isn't true.
To immediately see why this is B.S., imagine I make the claim that there is a purple alien living beneath the surface of Pluto.
Prove to me that there isn't!
I also find it rather convenient that, no matter what kind of evidence I post, you'll immediately claim "your evidence isn't credible", as if your say so was good enough. I'm sorry, but logic and reason don't work that way.
In other words, anything I post is probably a waste of time, because you'll stick your fingers in your ears, shut your eyes, and start saying "not true, not true, that's unscientific, not credible", as if that was a valid rebuttal.
Actually it was you who made a specific claim, that mass shootings are the result of lack of evolutionary belief, and to actually show any remote substantiation, you would FIRST need to show the beliefs of the shooters, before anything else.
Lets see them, or anything you have said is moot, and unrelated and unconnected.
Start executing murderers. It will slow down the liberal agenda of bringing down the USA.
The USA's biggest export is the gospel of Jesus Christ. The frontal assult didn't work, and won't work. So this is a continued attempt to disarm a nation that can defend itself. Socialism is the other method.
The USA's biggest export is the gospel of Jesus Christ. The frontal assult didn't work, and won't work. So this is a continued attempt to disarm a nation that can defend itself. Socialism is the other method.
Tinark
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Please point out where I made such a claim. The only claim I have made was about correlations. I demonstrated a strong negative correlation between public acceptance of evolution and murder rates by country. I've also made other claims regarding correlations between God belief and crime rates, which I am happy to back up.
And he is no pyschotic, nor has mental illness. He is simply evil.
According to sources, Lanza shot his mother in the face, then left his house armed with at least two semi automatic handguns, a Glock and a Sig Sauer, and a semi automatic rifle. He was also wearing a bullet proof vest.
This was well planned out.
According to sources, Lanza shot his mother in the face, then left his house armed with at least two semi automatic handguns, a Glock and a Sig Sauer, and a semi automatic rifle. He was also wearing a bullet proof vest.
This was well planned out.