toldailytopic: The Catholic Church: what did they get right, and what did they get wr

BabyChristian · Feb 4, 2011

Granite said:
By way of example: they inspired the Reformation. Say what you like about Martin Luther, but the Reformation was a boon to skeptics and free thinkers everywhere and throughout the ages. It broke the monopoly of a monstrous institution once and for all. That takes some doing: the very tyranny of the church provoked a blow from which it's never recovered. Well done!

Exposure. Dismissal. Sued. Disgraced. Works for me.

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BabyChristian · Feb 4, 2011

chrysostom said:
the assumption of Mary's body into heaven because it was without sin

Then Mary was not human and was a Goddess and Christ's humanness is not true.

Also, she was married to Joseph and if remained a virgin, that's a sin in itself.

Quandary?

JoeyArnold · Feb 4, 2011

The Great Pope Gregory I (540-604 AD) is said to have been the last great Pope of the Roman Catholics.

Greg went on the inspire the Gregorian Missions who must have started the Churches of England, which later turned into Anglican around 1246 AD. Anglican means England Church. That somehow influenced Simon Episcopius, Hugo Grotius, John Wesley. Arminianism was inspired by these guys, and was obviously mostly inspired by Jacob Arminius.

The five points of Calvinism, was formed after Jacob Arminius died in 1609, as a counter against Arminianism, during the Belgic Confession. Arminius believed in Prevenient Grace, which was also adopted from Augustine Theology (of Augustine of Hippo, 354-430 AD, a Reformation Father), which was inspired from Manichaeism (who taught that God was non-omnipotent God).

Anyways, Catholicism (Pope Gregory I) indirectly influenced the Church of England which influenced Anglicanism which influenced Arminianism which influenced Methodism which influenced the parents of the founder to The Salvation Army. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_I

I am not totally trying to endorse The Salvation Army, right now, but they might just be doing the most good, right? Therefore, thank you, Catholic Church, for The Salvation Army.

Cracked · Feb 4, 2011

JoeyArnold said:
Therefore, thank you, Catholic Church, for The Salvation Army.

Actually, you can thank the Catholic Church for Protestantism and Anglicanism in general, if you look at it that way.

Traditio · Feb 4, 2011

Knight said:
The Catholic Church: what did they get right

Everything. Christ is the head of the Catholic Church.

and what did they get wrong?

Nothing. Christ is the head of the Catholic Church.

Traditio · Feb 4, 2011

Granite said:
And one more time, if SOD's responding to me, he's been on the ignore list for a while. Connie, same goes for you--I see you lurking.:cheers:

Let's put the OP's questions a little differently:

In what way did the Catholic Church ever leave a civilization, people, culture, or place, better than the way they found it? True improvement--happiness, quality of life, etc. I'm not talking building an orphanage or something; something uniquely Catholic that the Church brought to a region or people for the region or people's betterment.

Furthermore, this improvement cannot be offset by any subsequent damage; in other words, whatever community outreach the Church conducted in Boston is undone by the hideous child abuse there, for example. So any examples of "improvement" must also be free of any taint of the Church's long record of depravity.

Pange Lingua

Ecce agnus Dei! Ecce qui tolit peccata mundi!

Ktoyou · Feb 4, 2011

JoeyArnold said:
The Great Pope Gregory I (540-604 AD) is said to have been the last great Pope of the Roman Catholics.

Greg went on the inspire the Gregorian Missions who must have started the Churches of England, which later turned into Anglican around 1246 AD. Anglican means England Church. That somehow influenced Simon Episcopius, Hugo Grotius, John Wesley. Arminianism was inspired by these guys, and was obviously mostly inspired by Jacob Arminius.

The five points of Calvinism, was formed after Jacob Arminius died in 1609, as a counter against Arminianism, during the Belgic Confession. Arminius believed in Prevenient Grace, which was also adopted from Augustine Theology (of Augustine of Hippo, 354-430 AD, a Reformation Father), which was inspired from Manichaeism (who taught that God was non-omnipotent God).

Anyways, Catholicism (Pope Gregory I) indirectly influenced the Church of England which influenced Anglicanism which influenced Arminianism which influenced Methodism which influenced the parents of the founder to The Salvation Army. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_I

I am not totally trying to endorse The Salvation Army, right now, but they might just be doing the most good, right? Therefore, thank you, Catholic Church, for The Salvation Army.

What a slippery slope leading nowhere.

Try doing you own thinking.

JoeyArnold · Feb 4, 2011

Ktoyou said:
What a slippery slope leading nowhere. Try doing you own thinking.

Ktoyou, Are you scared that even your own thinking might be influenced by the Catholics, too?

JoeyArnold · Feb 4, 2011

Cracked said:
Actually, you can thank the Catholic Church for Protestantism and Anglicanism in general, if you look at it that way.

Knight asked what did the Catholics get right? That answers depends on what the Protestants or Anglicans or others have got right, right?

chrysostom · Feb 5, 2011

pleasantly surprised with this thread

JoeyArnold · Feb 5, 2011

Catholics may have gotten Pope Gregory I and Chrysostom right, right?

Sherman · Feb 5, 2011

Knight said:
The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for February 4th, 2011 10:23 AM

toldailytopic: The Catholic Church: what did they get right, and what did they get wrong?

Lets start with what they got wrong I might miss a few since I don't know all their doctrines:
Mariolatry
Mary staying a virgin until her death.
Mary Queen of Heaven
Mary Mother of the Church
The immaculate conception
Mary as co Redemptex
Assumption of Mary
Purgatory
Indulgences
Prayers to the saints
The Papacy
Priests not Marrying
Transubstantiation
Aprocypha

What they got right:

Biblical cannon--Old testament and New testament
Pro-life
Trinity-Father, Son, Holy Spirit
Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus
Ascension of Jesus
The Ten commandments

Are they Christian?--it would be a case by case basis. Does the Catholic person have a personal relationship with Jesus. Salvation is based on a renewed (exchanged) life. Putting off the old and putting on the new, not the name above your church door. Not all Catholics buy into the bogus doctrines I have listed.

BabyChristian · Feb 5, 2011

chrysostom said:
now serving over one billion world wide

That's simply because of location, location, location.

They were right there, in fact is was the Romans that killed Christ.

They took over, changed everything to Latin and wanted everyone dependent on them for knowledge about Christ and they made a pant-load of money off of it too, which is abhorrent to God.

Yeah, I know Jesus told Peter upon this rock I will build my church. That could have been taken so many ways but what can't be taken any other way is when Jesus said, "Get behind me Satan."

Selling indulgences.........oh heck there's just too many things that I find something to which Jesus had a fit over once already when there was a profit being made in the Temple. Yet your beloved church has repeated it many times.

I'm sorry Chrys, I get sick of your attitude about your lovely church.

You think they DO SO MUCH for their followers. They don't do enough obviously or they wouldn't be so wealthy.

I wouldn't go off like this if it weren't for Chrys and his conceit about something in which he should be ashamed.

Oh, what they did get right is they believe Jesus is the Son of God.

yeshuaslavejeff · Feb 5, 2011

BabyChristian said:
That's simply because of location, location, location.

They were right there, in fact is was the Romans that killed Christ.

They took over, changed everything to Latin and wanted everyone dependent on them for knowledge about Christ and they made a pant-load of money off of it too, which is abhorrent to God.

Yeah, I know Jesus told Peter upon this rock I will build my church. That could have been taken so many ways but what can't be taken any other way is when Jesus said, "Get behind me Satan."

Selling indulgences.........oh heck there's just too many things that I find something to which Jesus had a fit over once already when there was a profit being made in the Temple. Yet your beloved church has repeated it many times.

I'm sorry Chrys, I get sick of your attitude about your lovely church.

You think they DO SO MUCH for their followers. They don't do enough obviously or they wouldn't be so wealthy.

I wouldn't go off like this if it weren't for Chrys and his conceit about something in which he should be ashamed.

Oh, what they did get right is they believe Jesus is the Son of God.

.... and, yet, they perish when and because they won't obey nor follow HIM.
.
.... remember even the demons believe that Yahshua is the Son of Yhvh the Only Mighty One, the Creator.
.... and, yet, the demons perish without salvation because they are unable to partake of Yhvh's Grace.
.... so, too, most all of the rcc - not because they can't, but because they won't; and, worse still, they do all they can to prevent others.

JoeyArnold · Feb 5, 2011

The Catholics got the fear, the traditions, a little right, but not the heart.

Cruciform · Feb 5, 2011

JoeyArnold said:
The Catholics got the fear, the traditions, a little right, but not the heart.

I'm sure that virtually all Christians for the first millennium-and-a-half of Church history will be glad to hear that... :doh:

Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
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Cruciform · Feb 5, 2011

yeshuaslavejeff said:
...so, too, most all of the rcc - not because they can't, but because they won't; and, worse still, they do all they can to prevent others.

Now go ahead and post your proof for these claims.

Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
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zippy2006 · Feb 5, 2011

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I think one of the most important contributions the Catholic Church has for our modern world is stressing the fact that morality and God are not mutually exclusive. If you claim to be a follower of Christ but do not reflect Him in your life then there is a problem.

Other than that I agree with most of the previous answers. You could say the Catholic Church did something wrong by involving itself in politics too much but it isn't a very distinctive criticism--you could say it of any institution. I'm glad no one found Granite's absurd question about which civilizations the church improved to be worth answering

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some other dude · Feb 5, 2011

zippy2006 said:
I think one of the most important contributions the Catholic Church has for our modern world is stressing the fact that morality and God are not mutually exclusive. If you claim to be a follower of Christ but do not reflect Him in your life then there is a problem.

Other than that I agree with most of the previous answers. You could say the Catholic Church did something wrong by involving itself in politics too much but it isn't a very distinctive criticism--you could say it of any institution. I'm glad no one found Granite's absurd question about which civilizations the church improved to be worth answering

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I must have missed that one.

Western.

The answer is Western.