toldailytopic: "Soup kitchens": Do they help or hurt the homeless?

[Frank Ernest]

You took the position that I was acting childishly, then made a juvenile comment. I told you that you should grow up as a way to call you on your hypocrisy.

Way to go, :Brandon: ! Simply ignore anything but your own :blabla:.
:rotfl:

Better start prepping up for Matthew 7:2 (KJV).

 

[Frank Ernest]

If you've ever been hungry, and I mean over 24 hours without anything to eat you have an inkling of need.
To feed the hungry, to share from my excess, without questions, is a mandate from the Lord God.
I asked the question what is charitable giving? How much is enough?
The answer I received was, 10 percent of your time, talent and money in any workable combination for you, is mandated. Anything beyond that is charitable.
And "enough" is when you do what is in front of you to do.

Note to the ever-beautiful bybee: Go for it!

On another note: May I "rest my case" after I've had some fun with it? :jolly:

 

[Granite]

If you've ever been hungry, and I mean over 24 hours without anything to eat you have an inkling of need.
To feed the hungry, to share from my excess, without questions, is a mandate from the Lord God.
I asked the question what is charitable giving? How much is enough?
The answer I received was, 10 percent of your time, talent and money in any workable combination for you, is mandated. Anything beyond that is charitable.
And "enough" is when you do what is in front of you to do.

To deny that soup kitchens help the least of our society is heartless, cold, callous, and beyond mean-spirited.

 

[vegascowboy]

To deny that soup kitchens help the least of our society is heartless, cold, callous, and beyond mean-spirited.

Only if you are of the same mentality that giving drug addicts clean needles for their habit "helps" them.

Sure, they are less likely to get disease, but does it really "help" them in the long run?

 

[Town Heretic]

Only if you are of the same mentality that giving drug addicts clean needles for their habit "helps" them.

Well, no, vc. Needles facilitate an ill. Food doesn't. It's an absolute good. Now a man who is full can look for work or the next meal, but it's a far different animal at the root.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Only if you are of the same mentality that giving drug addicts clean needles for their habit "helps" them.

Sure, they are less likely to get disease, but does it really "help" them in the long run?

Well TH has already addressed this but if I can add....

How does giving people even temporary nourishment not amount to help? Sure, it's short term but food is a universal requirement and in itself is addressing a basic need for the time. How does depriving people of this amount to any good in either the short or long term?

 

[vegascowboy]

Well, no, vc. Needles facilitate an ill. Food doesn't. It's an absolute good. Now a man who is full can look for work or the next meal, but it's a far different animal at the root.

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[vegascowboy]

Well TH has already addressed this but if I can add....

How does giving people even temporary nourishment not amount to help? Sure, it's short term but food is a universal requirement and in itself is addressing a basic need for the time. How does depriving people of this amount to any good in either the short or long term?

It isn't about the temporary that I'm concerned with. It's about the long-term dependency. I know...for some it doesn't turn out that way, but I experienced so many of the latter when I voluntered that it gave me a rather sour stomach towards the whole idea.

I am not anti-help for members of our society that are in need, I just think that soup kitchens are the wrong answer.

 

[Lighthouse]

Way to go, :Brandon: ! Simply ignore anything but your own :blabla:.

You are a false accuser. I hope you are prepared for 2 Corinthians 6:2-3 KJV

Better start prepping up for Matthew 7:2 (KJV).

I do not fear judgment.

 

[Frank Ernest]

You are a false accuser.

And you are floundering around trying to justify your pride.

I hope you are prepared for 2 Corinthians 6:2-3 KJV

Is this supposed to be relevant to something?

I do not fear judgment.

:darwinsm: You have no respect for it either.

 

[Granite]

It isn't about the temporary that I'm concerned with. It's about the long-term dependency. I know...for some it doesn't turn out that way, but I experienced so many of the latter when I voluntered that it gave me a rather sour stomach towards the whole idea.

I am not anti-help for members of our society that are in need, I just think that soup kitchens are the wrong answer.

So what's the right answer? You can't beat something with nothing.

 

[voltaire]

Do you really think the
destitute do what they do
because they are lazy or
that they want to be a little
immoral?
---Selaphiel. Those are major reasons many people get into a situation of destitution.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Do you really think the
destitute do what they do
because they are lazy or
that they want to be a little
immoral?
---Selaphiel. Those are major reasons many people get into a situation of destitution.

There's many reasons why people end up in such a predicament and they're certainly not all "self inflicted". It seems easier to sit in judgement of those less fortunate though doesn't it?

 

[Lighthouse]

And you are floundering around trying to justify your pride.

Pride in what?

Is this supposed to be relevant to something?

Did you read it?

:darwinsm: You have no respect for it either.

Can you support this accusation? Can you give a reason I should fear His judgment?

 

[Frank Ernest]

Pride in what?

Pride in self-righteousness. K:

Did you read it?

Yes. You?

Can you support this accusation? Can you give a reason I should fear His judgment?

Yes. You are oblivious to the consequences of your own actions.

Proverbs 16:18-19 (KJV)

 

[Granite]

:BRAVO:

Spot on, Frank.

 

[Lighthouse]

Pride in self-righteousness. K:

What self-righteousness?

Yes. You?

:doh:

Yes. You are oblivious to the consequences of your own actions.

Proverbs 16:18-19 (KJV)

What consequences?

I judge by His standards, and I've been judged by those standards. Want to know the result? I was found guilty. But Jesus took my place, and so I lean on Him, because I'm useless when it comes to righteousness.

 

[Frank Ernest]

What self-righteousness?

The hypocrisy that others can be judged by you while you remain blameless.

:doh:

Thought so.

What consequences?

Exactly my point.

I judge by His standards, and I've been judged by those standards. Want to know the result? I was found guilty. But Jesus took my place, and so I lean on Him, because I'm useless when it comes to righteousness.

So you want it both ways. Not surprising.

 

[Lighthouse]

The hypocrisy that others can be judged by you while you remain blameless.

So more false accusations...

Thought so.

I posted the verse. Asking me if I read it is a stupid question.

Exactly my point.

Do you even remember what your point was?

You can't even come up with a single consequence that I'm supposedly going to face. Shut up.

So you want it both ways. Not surprising.

What I want is irrelevant. What He did for me is all that matters.

He did it for you too, but you don't seem to want to believe that.

 

[Frank Ernest]

So more false accusations...

Poor little victim.

I posted the verse. Asking me if I read it is a stupid question.

You asked the stupid question first. I said "yes." You avoided answering.

Do you even remember what your point was?

Sure do. Matthew 7:1-2 (KJV)

You can't even come up with a single consequence that I'm supposedly going to face.

You ignored them.

Shut up.

A flash of mature brilliance. :jolly:

What I want is irrelevant. What He did for me is all that matters.

Piety visits the hypocrite.

He did it for you too, but you don't seem to want to believe that.

:rotfl: :blabla: