Like I said, if creation is to be taught I'm glad it will not be taught by you:
The root of the word means "to hammer out" and a recent translation translates it as "vault". It's also referred to in Job 37:18. The sky is hard/strong as a molten mirror. NASB translates it this way NIV like this...
...and KJV like this:
| Hast thou with him spread out the sky, [which is] strong, [and] as a molten looking glass? |
The strength need not mean a solid sky. It probably refers to a cloud. And the nature of a
molten looking glass is something we probably do no justice to in thinking "mirror".
And you also neglect to mention the rest of the chapter which uses the perfectly normal atmospheric conditions that nobody has any problems with. Winds coming from different directions, rain, thunder and lightning from clouds, clouds having no obvious support. Reading the full chapter describes a
storm, not the sky in general. And this to display the mystery and power of God.
But stick to your cartoon version if you wish. :idunno:
This makes no sense with a modern understanding of atmosphere, but with a hard vault separating waters above and waters below, it makes perfect sense.
The story makes
no sense if the sky is a solid dome.
As does the imagery of the great dragon's tail in Revelation dislodging stars and having them fall to earth.
:rotfl:
When you use the word "imagery" that should be a large red flag. :chuckle:
The bottom line is the Bible was written by ancient people, who had an ancient understanding of how the earth and the sky "worked". And that is okay, because the Bible's message of salvation doesn't need modern science. Science simply isn't that important.
And maybe you're wrong. Maybe they were given a correct understanding by God (even if it was not fully grasped). That's possible, right?
That's because it was well understood at the time to mean a hard dome that held up water above it
That's the firmament on Earth (Genesis 1:6-8). It was the unbroken crust of the Earth as it was created. We can see the globe encircling seam that is a result of the rupture of the original crust with the wonders of Google Maps. :up:
and within the done the sun, moon and stars were fixed.
That's the expanse of heaven, also translated firmament (Genesis 1:14-18). Completely different thing and most certainly not solid. :nono:
You can read extrabilical sources that were very familiar to the writers of scripture(and most early Christians) to find out the exact nature of the firmament. This is primarily from the book of Enoch. It is even quoted in the book of Jude.
Or we can read the bible and figure out the truth. :thumb:
There's no Bilbical evidence that the firmament disappeared during the flood.
The verse you're looking for is this one:
Genesis 7:11
In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
The fountains of the deep were "broken up" and the windows of heaven were opened. In that order. So it might well be reckoned that the first caused the second.
And a the end of the flood:
Genesis 8:2
The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;
So it is very clear that two things featured in bringing water to the Earth - fountains and rainfall. And one can easily account for the rainfall with the fountains. And one can easily account for the fountains by putting the firmament (in Genesis 1:6-8) within the Earth's ancient ocean (the 'deep').
Science is what keeps you warm in the winter, provides enough food for you to eat and clean water for you to drink.
...you think science is such "tripe,"...
And if IK had said "science" was a crock you might have a point. Instead you conflate evolution with science.
Atheists should learn to debate what is actually said rather than what they wish was said. :up:
