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toldailytopic: Should Christians always forgive those who've done them wrong?
- Thread starter Nathon Detroit
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Ephesians 4:32 KJV And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
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We are in the dispensation of the grace of God. Even if I do not forgive someone I am already forgiven ALL trespasses. Colossians 2:13 KJV
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Funny, I don't see "only if they repent" in this passage. Ephesians 4:32 KJV And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
You were forgiven long before you repented.
2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
When Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) having been made sin for you (2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV), He forgave you all of your sins. Or are you willing to say that your sins were not forgiven by the faith and finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ in your stead?
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I find it interesting that you say that we should forgive as Christ forgave as in Colossians 3:13 KJV (which is right) and then go further and say how does Christ forgive (quoting another gospel than that which Paul preached).
Christ forgave you. There is no forgiving left to give. He gave Himself a ransom for all to be testified in due time (1 Timothy 2:6 KJV). He forgave you long before you were even around to "repent". Romans 5:6 KJV, Romans 5:8 KJV, Romans 5:10 KJV, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, 2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV, 2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV, Colossians 2:13 KJV
Yes, and as an ambassador for Christ you ought to know a thing or two about forgiveness, how God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself not imputing their trespasses unto them and how God is operating in the dispensation of the grace of God. just sayin'
Repent of what?
Submit to God in what regard?
I trusted the Lord after hearing and believing the word of truth, the gospel of my salvation and am saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) and sealed unto the day of redemption (Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV, Ephesians 4:30 KJV). Was there some religious hoop that I failed to jump through?
What gospel would that be? I saw you quote Acts 2:38, but I must have missed where you posted the gospel of Christ, the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth...Romans 1:16 KJV.
Forgive as God forgave!
Ephesians 4:32 KJV And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
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Stephen was referencing Christ's words on the cross. This doesn't render that plea meaningless, however, even if one must repent to be forgiven. If that condition is present, as so much of scripture seems to assume (and even explicitly state in many places), then that condition is implicit here as well.
Bear in mind that you're arguing for the precedent that any sin should be forgiven without repentance and now force the question why God does not forgiven everyone regardless of repentance. Everyone then is saved automatically, else God is less forgiving than Stephen was. Is God less righteous than Stephen? :idunno:
So you point to an apparent contradiction here. Which is correct, heir?
Or is it possible that one assumes something the other clearly states?
Which is it?
Yet I was not saved until I repented and submitted to God. So do you argue that I was forgiven yet somehow still in debt for my sins before I repented? Or do you argue that I never needed to repent and accept Christ at all, being already redeemed?
Are you really arguing that everyone is already saved?
heir
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The point is, God forgave you for Christ's sake and that is how we are to forgive.
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What do you mean repented and submitted to God?
God forgave you, you need believe to have the righteousness of God upon you.
Romans 3:21-22 KJV But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
I do not believe in universal reconciliation. However, I do believe that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself not imputing their trespasses unto them 2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV, 2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV. And as stated above, one need believe to have the righteousness of God upon them.
No, the point is whether it was necessary for me to repent of my sins to be saved. If it was, then that condition applies to my forgiveness of others if I am to forgive as God forgave me.
Folks, if you deny this condition on forgiveness then you accuse God. Unless you take that condition away from Him and claim He forgives everyone without repentance as well.
That this idea is leading you to that place is your red flag that something is wrong. :idunno:
You don't have to repent of your sins to be saved, heir?
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Look, let's be clear here. Forgive has two related meanings. One references your personal feelings (resentment, etc) and the other references debt. I do not forgive the debts of those that sin against me who do not repent. Those that do, I forgive that debt to me. This hasn't anything to do with feelings. Scripture, when referencing forgiveness does not, as far as I can see, have anything to do with feelings. Feelings are irrelevant here.
heir
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2 Timothy 2:15 KJV Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
heir
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Repent of your sins??? We've been over this before a long time ago, Mary.
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2347141&postcount=7
And yet, here we are again.
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Nope.
Heir, sheesh. I'm already arguing from the position that I am. Obviously I understand that there's no contradiction here. You're the one pointing to one verse omitting "repent" to contradict another that includes it. So show yourself approved.
heir
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I believe that Christ died for all of them having forgiven me all trespasses.
Colossians 2:13 KJV And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Yes, I see we've had this same misunderstanding before. You're kinda ignoring my response back then, too, I see.
heir
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I am. You are not rightly dividing the word of truth. You are taking a teaching on forgiveness in M, M, L, and John and bringing it into the dispensation of the grace of God. I don't believe they jive. I consider what Paul says on the matter 2 Timothy 2:7-8 KJV from the form of sound words in Romans through Philemon. 2 Timothy 1:13 KJV.
To demonstrate that they don't jive, answer this...Are these next passages true for you?
Matthew 6:15 KJV But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Mark 11:26 KJV But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
heir
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You are adding a requirement to the gospel of Christ~which is perverting the gospel when you say that someone has to repent of their sins to be saved.
Galatians 1:8-9 KJV But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
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evelutionary theory of darvin if not true, there is a problem with me. if human came from the so called monkeys , why monkeys still alive???
why didnt they turn in to human. human life is the way to heavan or hell. its very inapprpriate to tell our preage is a monkey
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why didnt they turn in to human. human life is the way to heavan or hell. its very inapprpriate to tell our preage is a monkey
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