elohiym
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You are assuming he doesn't.
The Spirit of God is what animates us all according the Bible.
toldailytopic: Safety or freedom: which do you value more?
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You are assuming he doesn't.
The Spirit of God is what animates us all according the Bible.
Freedom is a vague concept; with it, one may attain power and afford greater protection and security. By what political system would freedom, as a concept, affect wealth distribution?
In Russia, following the collapse of the USSR, wealth has become spectacularly concentrated; inequality there is dramatically higher than in any country in the west. The model would suggest that both the increased volatility of investment and lack of opportunities for wealth redistribution might be at work. In the social vacuum created by the end of the Soviet era,
For the Soviets, those in power had the wealth because they were free to take it. See also Gini coefficient.
Safety is another concept, one is more safe when one avoids danger often associated with freedom, yet when compared with freedom, it might be better to examine security?
In Russia, following the collapse of the USSR, wealth has become spectacularly concentrated; inequality there is dramatically higher than in any country in the west. The model would suggest that both the increased volatility of investment and lack of opportunities for wealth redistribution might be at work. In the social vacuum created by the end of the Soviet era,
For the Soviets, those in power had the wealth because they were free to take it. See also Gini coefficient.
Safety is another concept, one is more safe when one avoids danger often associated with freedom, yet when compared with freedom, it might be better to examine security?
We know your brain only works with electrical shock first, but to say Stalin had no crime, and discounting the 20 million murders the State commited as no crime is incorrect.
Big government that murders and steals, and authorizes as such has the highest crime by its very definition.
the worst possible scenario would be
you are no longer free to defend yourself
you are no longer free to defend yourself
Calypso
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When Freedom is applied under Godly government then safety is a natural result. Safety first is putting the cart before the horse.
Freedom also has another benefit that adds to safety, the keeping and bearing of arms so that citizens can defend themselves from intruders.
Rapist enters a home. Click click Bang! no more scumbag rapist. End of story.
Freedom to bear arms solves a lot of problems.
Now if we went the Safety First route--well Hitler did that and took all the arms from the Jews and other citizens. History tells us what the result of that was.
'Safety' can use used as an excuse to regulate what we do, how we sleep and play. It results in too much regulation.
Bottom line, I'll take Freedom.
Freedom also has another benefit that adds to safety, the keeping and bearing of arms so that citizens can defend themselves from intruders.
Rapist enters a home. Click click Bang! no more scumbag rapist. End of story.
Freedom to bear arms solves a lot of problems.
Now if we went the Safety First route--well Hitler did that and took all the arms from the Jews and other citizens. History tells us what the result of that was.
'Safety' can use used as an excuse to regulate what we do, how we sleep and play. It results in too much regulation.
Bottom line, I'll take Freedom.
Freedom
finally someone answered the question
Zeke
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Goverments born under the banner of freedom in most cases is an illusion that always ends up taking a downward spiral into fascism. The other illusion is that it will become better from within.
No Sheep Here
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You can't take one without the other. How can someone be free if they don't feel safe? Fear equals bondage; I wouldn't call mental handcuffs freedom, so I value freedom and safety equally.
The question isn't one or the other (have freedom, or have safety, but not both). Instead the question is... which ability to you value more than the other: safety or freedom? (and why)
No Sheep Here
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Ouch, Knight's putting me in the hot seat and raising the temp. I have to choose... If I have to choose, then I'd have to say I value freedom more. I'd rather be free to do as I like and say as I like, because it's the best part of the human experience IMO. This way I can be free to address my safety concerns also :wink:
Sorry, had to find a way to have my cake and eat it too Knight
Well that is kinda the point of the question.Sorry, had to find a way to have my cake and eat it too Knight
We are allowing you both your cake and your ability to eat. We just wanna know how hungry you are. :chew: 
I don't see governments as being founded to promote freedom so much as to establish and protect right. In our case, the social compact has a built in revolution button sans bloodshed. The problem is that to use it we have to be informed and active participants in the life of our nation instead of occasional protesters and semi professional malcontents.
Well, OK then, I will pick safety, as it seems a singular definable construct, while freedom is nebulous.
If I have freedom then I have safety. If I have safety I don't necessarily have freedom.
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