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Nathon Detroit

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toldailytopic: Liberals or conservatives? Whose values closer resemble the spirit of the original mission of the USA?






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I realize there are all types of liberals and all types of conservatives but in general whose values more closely match what this country was founded upon?

In other words... if the founders of this country were here today in what ways would the be liberal and in what ways would they be conservative?
 

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Both.
Or neither.

Contrary to the various glossing-over historians who try to portray the founders as completely united, the drafters of the Declaration and the Constitution were VERY partisan and sometimes bitterly divided on many of the same issues which divide people today.

However, the original idea of a more limited federal government has generally been abandoned by both sides of the aisle, as more and more generations are born and conditioned to rely on it to graduate high school, pay for college, find a job, and retire.
 

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Neither. This is mainly due to the fact that conservatives aren't conservative anymore and liberals aren't liberal anymore. If they both lived up to their label, there would be little for the two sides to argue about.
 

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Liberal, progressive, communist, fascist, socialist, nazi, democrat, repbulican....None of the founders were they.

They would not have gone out of their way to make government authority minimal (crime and punishment), and not a socialist state.
 

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Neither. This is mainly due to the fact that conservatives aren't conservative anymore and liberals aren't liberal anymore. If they both lived up to their label, there would be little for the two sides to argue about.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I agree.
 

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Neither...
But since people that think eliminating all religion from political and public areas is liberal then I guess liberals are more closer to the constitution.

No established religion, freedom of speech, religion etc.
 

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A liberal and conservative 'argument'


Really, what should "what the founders wanted" be the be all and end all for what we do 200 years later with totally different technologies and population size and structure? Many things have shaped the nation other than just the founders' original intent.

I do think the founders were probably far more "liberal" than most conservatives think they were. A very weak federal government and strong "states rights" is what the Articles of Confederation were. They didn't work, and that's why the constitution was written. The founders were more interested in civil liberties than modern conservatives are, who tend to support things like the patriot act as well as huge amounts of military spending.


Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.



The founders might not have understood things like the EPA and welfare, but these are a product of our history, things like the valley of the drums and the great depression caused the people (the American public) to demand them.
 

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The Founders were revolutionaries; cutting-edge radicals by the standards of their time. By now, however, I think they'd probably be downright reactionary.
 

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Libertarians. The founding fathers were evil men who wanted to keep the poor farmer brotha down. The constitution represents the interests of bankers and businessmen.
 

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Libertarians. The founding fathers were evil men who wanted to keep the poor farmer brotha down. The constitution represents the interests of bankers and businessmen.

:rotfl:

You do realize that Washington and Jefferson were "poor farmer brotha's", right? :think: And since when are farmers not businessmen?

How can you knock George Washington with that "brotha" name! Ninety percent of Americans named "Washington" are black. :mrt:
 

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:rotfl:

You do realize that Washington and Jefferson were "poor farmer brotha's", right? :think: And since when are farmers not businessmen?

How can you knock George Washington with that "brotha" name! Ninety percent of Americans named "Washington" are black. :mrt:

"In contrast to the other state legislatures, the Massachusetts legislature imposed a tightly limited currency and high taxes, which triggered formation of a small army of farmers led by Daniel Shays, a former Revolutionary War army captain. The incident came to be known as Shays' Rebellion. In a bid to take over the Massachusetts statehouse, Shays and others demanded that foreclosures and unfair court proceedings be dropped. Troops were called out and they quickly suppressed the rebellion, but nationalists asked what would happen if a revolt got out of control. George Washington warned, 'There are combustibles in every state which a spark might set fire to.'[6]"

Wikipedia on the History of the United States Constitution.

The constitution was written to prevent stuff like the above. Bankers and businessmen wanted to be sure that they would be able to keep their profits.

"At the invitation of George Washington, the commissioners met at his Mount Vernon home, and, in March 1785, drafted a compact which, in many of its details relative to the navigation and jurisdiction of the Potomac, is still in force.[2] More importantly, the commissioners submitted to their respective states a report in favor of a convention of all the states "to take into consideration the trade and commerce" of the Confederation. Virginia, in January 1786, advocated such a convention, authorizing its commissioners to meet with those of other States, at a time and place to be agreed on "to take into consideration the trade of the United States, to examine the relative situations and trade of the said State, to consider how far a uniform system in their commercial regulations may be necessary to their common interest and their permanent harmony, and to report to the several States, such an act relative to this great object, as when unanimously ratified by them, will enable the United States in Congress, effectually to provide for the same" (same link).
 

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The founders would be independents. But, being realistic, they would be either Democrat or Republican, depending upon which one helped them get elected in their own jurisdictions.
They would all be card-carrying members of the eigh-cee-el-yew and en-ar-eigh though, without a doubt.
 

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Both.
Or neither.

Contrary to the various glossing-over historians who try to portray the founders as completely united, the drafters of the Declaration and the Constitution were VERY partisan and sometimes bitterly divided on many of the same issues which divide people today..

^^^this

They united to fight a common enemy so we would have the freedom to fight amongst ourselves.
 

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It depends on how you approach it. I'd say the Founding Fathers were, within the context of their time, progressives. Today they'd be more conservative than not. So it depends on whether you look at them in principle or focus on their particular application.

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