csuguy
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I'm starting to get sick... time to go to the bars! :cheers:
toldailytopic: Is it a sin to drink alcoholic beverages?
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I'm starting to get sick... time to go to the bars! :cheers:
The alcohol that people consume today is nothing like the alcohol consumed in Bible stories. Today, it is much stronger (embalming fluid, Adrienne Rogers calls it):cheers::
"The Biblical Words for Wine...
1. Oinos/Yayin
The most common word in the New Testament for wine is the Greek word oinos. It is a general word that simply refers to the fermented juice of the grape. The Old Testament equivalent to the Greek word oinos is yayin, the root of which means to "bubble up" or "boil up." The 1901 Jewish Encyclopedia (vol. 12, p. 533) states that yayin, at least in the rabbinic period, was diluted with water.
2. Gleukos/Tirosh
The Greek word gleukos--from which we get the English word glucose, means "new wine." It is used in Acts 2:13 to refer to the apostles on the day of Pentecost. It says they were "full of new wine." Although it was comparatively fresh and not yet fully aged, it was potentially intoxicating. The mockers in in Acts 2:13 were accusing the apostles of being drunk.
The Old Testament word for new wine is tirosh. Hosea 4:11 says "wine [yayin] and new wine [tirosh] take away the heart." Drunkenness is the result of drinking this new wine.
3. Sikera/Shakar
The Old Testament word for strong drink is shakar, a term that eventually became restricted to intoxicants other than wine. According to the 1901 Jewish Encyclopedia, it refers to unmixed wine. The New Testament equivalent is the Greek word sikera..." full text: Be Not Drunk with Wine, Part 2 http://www.gty.org/Resources/Study+Guide+Chapter/1937
The Bible has much to say about drinking and drunkenness.
See:
Drinking and the Bible http://www.vananne.com/teensinneed/Drinking and the Bible.htm
Whatever people decide about drinking, it should come from an informed opinion. The "Jesus turned water into wine" argument to drink is weak. In my opinion, people are wise to avoid alcohol. If people want God's best for their lives, it's a good idea to stay away.
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csuguy
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Why is it weak? Jesus made and distributed alcohol. If you are concerned with how alcoholic the wine Christ made was relative to our alcohol - no one is saying go out and get drunk.
BabyChristian
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I don't think drinking in moderation is a sin personally but when a person is a drunk, like I am............it is. I do the most stupid things when I'm drinking. :guitar:
"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -
Benjamin Franklin
I'll stick with Ben.
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csuguy
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It's too expensive to get drunk
Of course, I always go to the bars - I suppose it would be cheaper to buy the alcohol from a store and take it home :think:
csuguy
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"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -
Benjamin Franklin
I'll stick with Ben.
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I have a bad story beer story I'd like to tell you all about.
Last night, I ran out of Sierra Nevada Stout.
Last night, I ran out of Sierra Nevada Stout.
csuguy
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I have a bad story beer story I'd like to tell you all about.
Last night, I ran out of Sierra Nevada Stout.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :noway:
The alcohol that people consume today is nothing like the alcohol "back in the day". It is unlikely that the wine Jesus made was fermented. Do a Bible study for additional information. (But more importantly, of course, first understand who Jesus is [Jn 1:1-3], humble yourself [Mt 11:29] and seek his righteousness [Mt 6:33].). Alcohol is not a salvation issue. Believing in a false Jesus (as non-trinitarians do) is a salvation issue.
Remember, Satan seeks to undermine the word of God (like many here at TOL), undermine the deity of Jesus (like you do) and undermine the work of the Holy Spirit. It's a good day to be sober--and be saved (Jn 3:7).
I do like Ben."Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -
Benjamin Franklin
I'll stick with Ben.
I don't think it's helpful. And we should not cause people to stumble (1 Cor 8:13).
Do you like the term "alcoholic"? I don't. When one is in Christ, he is a new creation (2 Cor 5:17). With the presence of the Holy Spirit, anyone can overcome alcoholism. I do not think that the term "alcoholic" must remain on a person forever.
It's the best word I could think of at the time.
Sort of. But NyQuil has alcohol in it for a reason. And I did have a sinus infection.
King David
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YEP!
YEP!
IS IT a SIN to drink ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES?
Only if you DON'T EVER swear, steal, rape, murder, beat, mame, lie or do any other sin, like killing a familing or a person while driving under the influence of!
YEP!
IS IT a SIN to drink ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES?
Only if you DON'T EVER swear, steal, rape, murder, beat, mame, lie or do any other sin, like killing a familing or a person while driving under the influence of!
csuguy
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Well, actually, the alcohol itself is exactly the same - its simply that the percentage of it in a drink was lower. Alcohol is not a sin, and to say so is puritan nonsense.
Poketto Kunoichi
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Nope, I don't think it is. When you drink to get drunk though, then yes. People should be aware of when they feel they're starting to feel tipsy, though, and stop.
I think it's the same with snacking. It's fine to eat a bag of chips, just don't become a glutton.
I think it's the same with snacking. It's fine to eat a bag of chips, just don't become a glutton.
While I agree with the crux of your argument, I think you are secretly getting in the idea from the old temperance movement. I grew up around those sanctimonious old buzzards and it makes me sick more than drink could, these man made 'more moral than thou' hooky baloney ideas of human virtue. Nothing bugs be more than the rustic old Southern Baptists who thought drinking, dancing, card playing and smoking were all sinful. Nonsense, not believing in what Jesus taught is sinful, such as being too self-righteous.
The alcohol did not have an hallucinogen. The point is, we should be informed. God gave us a brain and we should not do anything to distort our perceptions (Eph 5:18). We have enough in this world to battle (Eph 6:12). Each is free to make his or her own decision of course (1 Cor 10:23); but if a person is getting drunk, it is an indication that something is wrong. We should rather be filled with the spirit of God. That is where real joy is.
Ktoyou, I read your posts often and respect your opinion. I love your no baloneyness.
I agree, we should not be legalistic. I don't think there is anything wrong with dancing, playing cards or smoking, etc. I am sure that a Christian can drink in moderation. Personally, I just do not think that drinking is a good idea. I have zero respect for the liquor companies and their advertising. They show happy people in their commercials. They don't show the fall-down drunks vomiting over the toilet. They don't show broken and bloody bodies in the hospitals due to drunken-driving accidents.
No. I have come to my own personal conclusion that drinking is not good. I do not impose my conclusion on others as the cults do (e.g. Mormonism). I do not believe that abstinence from alcohol earns a person work-based points in heaven (Isa 64:6).
See:
What does the Bible say about drinking alcohol / wine? Is it a sin for a Christian to drink alcohol / wine? http://www.gotquestions.org/sin-alcohol.html
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