yes but I would add that the so called peaceful Muslims do nothing about those who are not
toldailytopic: Generally speaking does the Islamic religion encourage or discourage t
- Thread starter Nathon Detroit
- Start date
yes but I would add that the so called peaceful Muslims do nothing about those who are not
Mulla Sadra
Member
In what tools did you observe ?
Mulla Sadra
Member
So you didn't observe Most of Muslims on Earth by yourself but by tools far from you ? (Books you didn't write, TV you didn't talk in, Information on Internet you read from people and didn't write.... etc).
that is all we have to go on
but
I have been in many countries that have a significant Muslim presence
and
I have been in their homes
Mulla Sadra
Member
On which do you base your opinion, on your personal experience or out of self tools ?
all of the above
Mulla Sadra
Member
Are you sure about "all of above" as valid proofs for what you observed ?
Mulla Sadra
Member
How did you acquire sureness of the whole History of Islam ?
Can you quote the passages where it does so?
Can you quote the passages where it does so?
Can you quote the passages where it does so?
Didn't think so.
I also answer my own questions before people can respond, it's the most reliable path to truth.
you don't need the whole history
you just need to look at all the wars that have involved Islam
have you looked at them?
Mulla Sadra
Member
So it is a warfare history (not WHOLE history, I am going to let that go for you).
So you are sure of the WHOLE warfare history of Islam ? (look at bolded)
I may have missed a few
but
that is not important
we have enough of them to see the trouble Islam has caused
but
that is not important
we have enough of them to see the trouble Islam has caused
Mulla Sadra
Member
Please, Don't change your answers too much, I don't like to do conclusion on an answer you don't mean (I don't want to be unjust with you).
How Battles you have read of relate to Islam ?
You mean like the Crusades?
What about the Christian 30 Years War that decimated the population of Europe like a plague? It's not the faith, but certain adherents in certain concentrations.
Again, do the math. It isn't hard, only inconvenient for you.
Mulla Sadra
Member
But if they do not share the same God as you (since both can't be true), then their religion only serves as an excuse waiting for anyone to oppress and to fleece.
If their religion doesn't grant any supernatural morality or benefit - then what purpose does it truly have or advantage over any other book?
moparguy
New member
Yes, the quran, hadith, sira, and sunnah all encourage jihad by the sword.
This is even more obvious when you learn of naskh/abrogation and learn which verses came last and abrogated the most earlier verses.
The hadiths, sunnah, and sira merely serve to nail the coffin shut on the topic.
The bare bones of the pro-terrorist view of the islamic teachings, as I understand it, springs from the fact that in the holy texts of islam, EVERYONE is born as a muslim - so those who are not currently muslims have apostatized, and apostates under sharia can never be considered innocents, so the death of non-muslims is perfectly ok.
This is even more obvious when you learn of naskh/abrogation and learn which verses came last and abrogated the most earlier verses.
The hadiths, sunnah, and sira merely serve to nail the coffin shut on the topic.
The bare bones of the pro-terrorist view of the islamic teachings, as I understand it, springs from the fact that in the holy texts of islam, EVERYONE is born as a muslim - so those who are not currently muslims have apostatized, and apostates under sharia can never be considered innocents, so the death of non-muslims is perfectly ok.
Mulla Sadra
Member
1- Naskh actually deleted some of the War verses not visa-versa.
2-You are making a loud fallacy of mixing "Islam" as supplication to God, and "Islam" as a religion.
3- BTW, Sira if not authenticated by Hadeeth is not a proof in Islamic Traditional Sciences, to separate them is one of the known mis-understandings of those who share their hatred of Islam.