genuineoriginal
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Stop trying to work your way into the lake of fire. You already are going there because of your self-righteous condemnation of God's ways.
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Stop trying to work your way into the lake of fire. You already are going there because of your self-righteous condemnation of God's ways.
God's ways? :rotfl:
You believe that cleaning up our own sins and the sins of others are "God's ways"?
No, pervert, that is YOUR way, not God's Way. God's Way came and died for sins. You don't get to "clean them up".
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Such posters--if you whack them in the seat with a bass fiddle, they don't get the point. Sadly TOL is populated with posters like this--and yes, they usually end up in the woodshed from time to time.
Now where were we: Would Jesus approve of the homosexual lifestyle?
Answer--No...
7 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.
I hate it when people cite things out of context.
As long as the 'measure' being used is Gods, and not our own, there is not a problem. The pharisees were judging not by Gods word but by their own oral laws and traditions.
Check this out for further correct context:
Immorality Must Be Judged
9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.
12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”
We are suppose to judge those within the church and those who claim to be within the church and the measure we are to use is the word of God.
The word of God is what we will ALL be judged by, and that was the context you missed completely, like all who do not know the scripture, concern themselves out of context by citing only the first line.
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genuineoriginal
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Ezekiel 33:7-9 7So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me. 8When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 9Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. |
eameece
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Except "clearing out your own sins" is an endless process, as he points out in the "cast the first stone" incident. And he clearly states "judge not." It's pretty clear. Those people criticizing homosexuals are going against what Jesus said.
If Jesus were here, and he asked if anyone on TOL was without sin, who do you think would cast the first stone?
One Eyed Jack
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Considering that it was Jesus Himself Who gave the Law to Moses, I'd say no. Plus, He affirmed the entire Law during His ministry, so again -- no.
If he cared about this subject at all he (and his biographers) managed to never mention it. Curious, that.
Instead he said to forsake material goods, not pray in public, tend to the dispossessed, and spent his time amongst the outcasts of his day.
What's easier: criticizing a lifestyle and love life you can't change, or opening an orphanage?
Instead he said to forsake material goods, not pray in public, tend to the dispossessed, and spent his time amongst the outcasts of his day.
What's easier: criticizing a lifestyle and love life you can't change, or opening an orphanage?
I believe that the Bible defines homosexual behavior as the apex of evil (Romans 1). It is the outward evidence of man's rejection of God.
No one who is in Christ would believe or teach that homosexual behavior is an acceptable behavior (that it is not a sin or immoral).
Jesus is God, and God has never condoned any sin as acceptable. He never will.
However, it does not take the most egregious sin to bring death. Adam's disobedience was simply eating from a tree he was told not to eat from (though the reason goes deeper). As we know, the sin of Adam brought death to all men, and the evidence that all men are dead is that all men sin.
Jesus came to give us life.
Those who have received His life, know full well that in them dwells no good thing (that is, in their flesh). Paul no longer was under condemnation for practicing the very evil he did not wish to practice. Paul did not forget that he practiced coveting. He was forever aware that he was sold into bondage to sin, and that he could not do what he wanted to do. Paul never stopped coveting, and if God held this to his account, Paul would have never been free from the law of sin and of death. However, as we know, Paul was set free from that which condemned him, having now been crucified with Christ and having been raised to new life.
A person who was a homosexual, but has been washed , has been sanctified, and has been justified in Christ and by the Spirit of God, is no longer under condemnation for having practiced evil, and like Paul has been crucified with Christ, and raised to new life.
1 Cor 6:9-11
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Paul follows this statement immediately by declaring...
All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body. And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power. Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. What? Know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? For two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
What? Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Paul tells those who once practiced evil, that though they are no longer under the law that condemns them, and that all things have become lawful for them, not all things are profitable or expedient. Continuing to practice immoral behavior such as fornication or homosexuality is unprofitable behavior. Paul reasons with them as to how those who do such thing sin against their own body ( the self-righteous won't get Paul's point here, and think that Paul is saying that if they do those things now they are sinning, when in fact he is simply making the point of how it is a sin).
Paul never stopped coveting (practicing evil), but he was no longer under the condemnation of it. However, Paul refrained from practicing those behaviors associated with his coveting because it was profitable to do so. He did not want to reap the consequences associated with evil behavior. In fact, Paul spells out to the Body of Christ the importance of abstaining from evil behavior in Romans 13, because God has given us authorities to punish those who practice it.
For those of us who have children (we have 8) you know that your children sometimes do those things that they are not permitted to do (you, as parents, are their authority). When they do what they should not do, it does not bring them condemnation from God (if they are in Christ), but it does bring them discipline or punishment from you. It is supposed to be the same principle in the country, state, or town where a person lives, as well as in a school, business, or church. Paul gives plenty of instruction on disciplining those in the church who practice evil behavior. However, evil men (who claim to be "Christians", but are in fact, just religious and self-righteous), attempt to bring those who should be disciplined for evil behavior back under condemnation with God.
No Christian would ever refer to homosexual behavior as acceptable behavior. He, like Paul, would see himself as practicing the very evil he does not wish. Refraining from this behavior takes discipline, just as it did for Paul to not be mastered by his coveting. It is also evil behavior when authorities remove punishment from those who practice homosexual behavior, abortion, etc., because it not only removes the fear factor, but takes away the purpose and intent of the Law to condemn so that men will turn to Jesus to be set free.
No one who is in Christ would believe or teach that homosexual behavior is an acceptable behavior (that it is not a sin or immoral).
Jesus is God, and God has never condoned any sin as acceptable. He never will.
However, it does not take the most egregious sin to bring death. Adam's disobedience was simply eating from a tree he was told not to eat from (though the reason goes deeper). As we know, the sin of Adam brought death to all men, and the evidence that all men are dead is that all men sin.
Jesus came to give us life.
Those who have received His life, know full well that in them dwells no good thing (that is, in their flesh). Paul no longer was under condemnation for practicing the very evil he did not wish to practice. Paul did not forget that he practiced coveting. He was forever aware that he was sold into bondage to sin, and that he could not do what he wanted to do. Paul never stopped coveting, and if God held this to his account, Paul would have never been free from the law of sin and of death. However, as we know, Paul was set free from that which condemned him, having now been crucified with Christ and having been raised to new life.
A person who was a homosexual, but has been washed , has been sanctified, and has been justified in Christ and by the Spirit of God, is no longer under condemnation for having practiced evil, and like Paul has been crucified with Christ, and raised to new life.
1 Cor 6:9-11
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Paul follows this statement immediately by declaring...
All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body. And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power. Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. What? Know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? For two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
What? Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Paul tells those who once practiced evil, that though they are no longer under the law that condemns them, and that all things have become lawful for them, not all things are profitable or expedient. Continuing to practice immoral behavior such as fornication or homosexuality is unprofitable behavior. Paul reasons with them as to how those who do such thing sin against their own body ( the self-righteous won't get Paul's point here, and think that Paul is saying that if they do those things now they are sinning, when in fact he is simply making the point of how it is a sin).
Paul never stopped coveting (practicing evil), but he was no longer under the condemnation of it. However, Paul refrained from practicing those behaviors associated with his coveting because it was profitable to do so. He did not want to reap the consequences associated with evil behavior. In fact, Paul spells out to the Body of Christ the importance of abstaining from evil behavior in Romans 13, because God has given us authorities to punish those who practice it.
For those of us who have children (we have 8) you know that your children sometimes do those things that they are not permitted to do (you, as parents, are their authority). When they do what they should not do, it does not bring them condemnation from God (if they are in Christ), but it does bring them discipline or punishment from you. It is supposed to be the same principle in the country, state, or town where a person lives, as well as in a school, business, or church. Paul gives plenty of instruction on disciplining those in the church who practice evil behavior. However, evil men (who claim to be "Christians", but are in fact, just religious and self-righteous), attempt to bring those who should be disciplined for evil behavior back under condemnation with God.
No Christian would ever refer to homosexual behavior as acceptable behavior. He, like Paul, would see himself as practicing the very evil he does not wish. Refraining from this behavior takes discipline, just as it did for Paul to not be mastered by his coveting. It is also evil behavior when authorities remove punishment from those who practice homosexual behavior, abortion, etc., because it not only removes the fear factor, but takes away the purpose and intent of the Law to condemn so that men will turn to Jesus to be set free.
genuineoriginal
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Do you have a double standard?
Do you think people criticizing murderers are going against what Jesus said?
genuineoriginal
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Yes, it is very curious.
Is is almost as if Jesus never heard of a Gay Pride Parade in His time on Earth.
So your argument is that He doesn't mind gays, just gay pride parades? :shocked:
:rotfl:
genuineoriginal
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Mark 7:20-23 20And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. 21For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 23All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. |
You are blind.
Matthew 7 is a instruction manual on HOW TO JUDGE. It's a step by step guide.
FIRST remove the plank from your own eye, and THEN you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
eameece, do you ever love your neighbor enough to remove the speck from your brother's eye?
Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? 1 Cor 6:2-3
And that confirms what everyone on TOL already knows... Granite is a moron.