toldailytopic: Does Israel have the right to blockade the Gaza Strip?

[jgarden]

This is a blatantly false accusation. The big picture is that Israel shows restraint and is reasonable. This does not mean every thing they do is right or defensible. They are not the ones sending out suicide killers around the world (that would have its roots in Islam; Muslims have been too silent in dealing with the radicals in their midst). The big picture is that Iran, North Korea, etc. is a real threat/problem. Israel contributes positively to the world and region, while Arabs blame Jews for their self-inflicted problems and desire to destroy Israel (Israel embraces Arabs who thrive in her borders, while Arabs fight and kill each other and Jews). 9-11 was not a Jewish-American issue, but a Muslim one.

If and when Israel is wrong on any given issue, I will condemn them on that issue, but not on their overall positive track record as a democracy.

We sympathize with the plight of Palestinians and especially Palestinian Christians. Hamas, Iran, etc. is bent on destroying Israel. Arabs/Muslims have the land and resources to take care of Palestinians, but they are more interested in wiping out Jews and taking their land (regardless of the historical issues). If Israel can send so much relief to them and give land for peace deals, it is time for Palestine to quit lobbing rockets at civilians in Israel (something Israel does not do except in self-defense). When they live up to their end of reasonableness, things would go much better. Israel could live peacefully with them, but they will not be happy and make this possible until Israel is destroyed.

In light of Scripture, you are defending the wrong cause and God will supernaturally preserve Israel (e.g. 1967 war involved supernatural intervention from God against Israel's enemies).

"The big picture is that Israel shows restraint and is reasonable"

- Is this the same Israel that sold millions of dollars in military arms to South Africa when it was still an "apartheid" state - whose racist polities were condemned by the world because it was the next closest thing to Nazi state since WW2?

- Is this the same Israel that built up its military arms industry on the backs of the black oppressed majority of South Africans?

- Is this the same Israel that was the 4th largest exporter of military arms around the world in 2007?

- Is this the same Israel that portrays itself as a victim and demands to be exempt from the misery resulting from the same kinds of military weapons that she has been exporting for decades around the world - including dictatorships?

Reciprients of Israeli Uzi submachine guns
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Algeria
Angola
Australia
Bangladesh
Belgium:
Bolivia
Brazil
Central African Republic
Chad
Chile
Colombia
Croatia
Democratic Republic of Congo
Dominican Republic
Ecuador
El Salvador
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
France
Gabon
Germany
Guatemala
Haiti
Honduras
India
Indonesia
Iran
Ireland
Israel
Kenya
Liberia
Luxembourg
Malta
Netherlands
Nicaragua
Niger
Nigeria
Panama
Paraguay
Peru
Philippines
Portugal
Romania
Rwanda
Somalia
South Africa
Sri Lanka
Sudan
Suriname
Swaziland
Syria
Taiwan
Thailand
Togo
Tunisia
Uganda
United States
Uruguay
Venezuela
Zimbabwe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzi

"According to their way I will do to them, and according to their own judgments I will judge them; and they shall know that I am the LORD." (Ezekiel 7:27b RSV)

"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." (Galatians 6:7 KJV)

"Whatever you give out to others, God will eventually give back to you. This is the basic nature of God's Justice: "YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW."

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[Non-Excluvistic]

"The big picture is that Israel shows restraint and is reasonable"

- Is this the same Israel that sold millions of dollars in military arms to South Africa when it was still an "apartheid" state - whose racist polities were condemned by the world because it was the next closest thing to Nazi state since WW2?

- Is this the same Israel that built up its military arms industry on the backs of the black oppressed majority of South Africans?

- Is this the same Israel that was the 4th largest exporter of military arms around the world in 2007?

- Is this the same Israel that portrays itself as a victim and demands to be exempt from the misery resulting from the same kinds of military weapons that she has been exporting for decades around the world - including dictatorships?

Reciprients of Israeli Uzi submachine guns
********************************
Algeria
Angola
Australia
Bangladesh
Belgium:
Bolivia
Brazil
Central African Republic
Chad
Chile
Colombia
Croatia
Democratic Republic of Congo
Dominican Republic
Ecuador
El Salvador
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
France
Gabon
Germany
Guatemala
Haiti
Honduras
India
Indonesia
Iran
Ireland
Israel
Kenya
Liberia
Luxembourg
Malta
Netherlands
Nicaragua
Niger
Nigeria
Panama
Paraguay
Peru
Philippines
Portugal
Romania
Rwanda
Somalia
South Africa
Sri Lanka
Sudan
Suriname
Swaziland
Syria
Taiwan
Thailand
Togo
Tunisia
Uganda
United States
Uruguay
Venezuela
Zimbabwe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzi

"According to their way I will do to them, and according to their own judgments I will judge them; and they shall know that I am the LORD." (Ezekiel 7:27b RSV)

"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." (Galatians 6:7 KJV)

"Whatever you give out to others, God will eventually give back to you. This is the basic nature of God's Justice: "YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW."

_____________________________________________________________

Yep.

 

[Aimiel]

YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW.

Probably why Israel has peace and security in the midst of her enemies... she's sowing what she reaped. :thumb:

 

[mighty_duck]

"The big picture is that Israel shows restraint and is reasonable"

With regards to the Arab population, which is what this thread is about. More red herrings.

- Is this the same Israel that sold millions of dollars in military arms to South Africa when it was still an "apartheid" state - whose racist polities were condemned by the world because it was the next closest thing to Nazi state since WW2?

While not the brightest light in Israel's foreign policy, it is no worse than the US, European and worldwide support of equally oppressive Arab regimes , where you have ruthless tyrants from small minority groups ruling over different ethnicities, denying women equal rights etc.

- Is this the same Israel that was the 4th largest exporter of military arms around the world in 2007?

So having a successful arms industry is used as a sign that Israel is unreasonable or does not show restraint? How does that logic work?

Are the US and Russia the least reasonable and unrestrained forces in the world by the same logic?

Let's play that game.

Recipients of US made M-16 assault rifle:
* Afghanistan[35]
* Australia[36] (M16A1) (Replaced 1989 by Steyr AUG)
* Bangladesh: (Used by Bangladesh military, Special Forces and Counter Terrorism Units)[37]
* Barbados[38]
* Belize[38]
* Bolivia[38]
* Brazil[38]
* Brunei[38]
* Cambodia[38] (M16A1)
* Cameroon[38]
* Canada: C7 variant is used by the Canadian Armed Forces.[39]
* Chile[38]
* Democratic Republic of the Congo[38]
* Costa Rica[40]
* Denmark[38]
* Dominican Republic[38]
* East Timor[41]
* Ecuador[38]
* El Salvador[38]
* Estonia[42]
* Eritrea
* Fiji[38]
* Gabon[38]
* Ghana[38]
* Greece[38]
* Grenada[38]
* Guatemala[38]
* India[38]
* Indonesia[38]
* Iraq: Iraqi army.[43]
* Israel[44]
* Jamaica[38]
* Jordan[38]
* South Korea: Manufactured under license by Daewoo.[38]
* Lebanon[38]
* Lesotho[38]
* Malaysia[38]
* Mexico[38]
* Morocco[38]
* New Zealand[38] (Replaced 1988 by Steyr AUG)
* Nepal[45]
* Netherlands: C7 variant is used by the Royal Netherlands Army.[39]
* Nicaragua[38]
* Nigeria[38]
* Oman[38]
* Panama[38] (M16A1)
* Peru[38]
* Philippines: Manufactured under license by Elisco Tool and Manufacturing.[38]
* Qatar[38]
* Senegal[46]
* Somalia[38]
* South Africa[38]
* Sri Lanka[38]
* Thailand[38] (M16A1/A2/A4)
* Tunisia[38]
* Turkey[38] (M16A1)
* Uganda[38]
* United Arab Emirates[38]
* United Kingdom: Special Air Service.[47]
* United States[48]
* Uruguay[38]
* Vietnam[38] (M16A1)


Recipients of Russian made AK-47 assault rifle:
* Afghanistan[48]
* Albania[49]
* Algeria[49]
* Angola[49]
* Bangladesh[49]
* Benin[49]
* Botswana[49]
* Bulgaria[49]
* Cambodia[49]
* Cape Verde[49]
* Central African Republic[49]
* Chad[49]
* Chechnya[49]
* Comoros[49]
* Congo-Brazzaville[49]
* Cuba[49]
* Democratic Republic of the Congo[49]
* Egypt[49]
* Namibia[49]
* Equatorial Guinea[49]
* Ethiopia: Type 56 variant.[49]
* Gabon[49]
* Georgia[49]
* Greece: EKAM counter-terrorist unit of the Hellenic Police.[50][51]
* Guinea[49]
* Guinea-Bissau[49]
* Guyana[49]
* Hungary[49]
* Indonesia
* Iran[49]
* Iraq[48][49]
* Israel[49]
* Laos[49]
* Lesotho[49]
* Liberia[49]
* Libya[49]
* Madagascar[49]
* Mali[49]
* Malta: Type 56 variant.[49]
* Morocco[49]
* Mongolia[49]
* Mozambique[49]
* North Korea: Type 56 variant.[49]
* People's Republic of China: Type 56 variant was used.[52]
* Peru[49]
* Philippines: Known to be used by the Santiago City PNP.[53]
* Qatar[49]
* Romania[49]
* Sao Tome and Principe[49]
* Seychelles[49]
* Sierra Leone[49]
* Somalia[49]
* Soviet Union: Adopted by the Soviet Union in 1951.[52]
* Sri Lanka: Type 56 variant.[49]
* Sudan[49]
* Syria[49]
* Tanzania[49]
* Togo[49]
* Vietnam: Type 56 variant was used extensively by the Viet Cong.[52]
* Yemen[49]
* Zambia[49]
* Zimbabwe[49]