toldailytopic: Does Israel have the right to blockade the Gaza Strip?

[Non-Excluvistic]

this is news to me
where can I learn more about this?

Christian Palestinians have always been persecuted Just like the Muslim Palestinians. It's not about Muslims or Christian, it's about them being Palestinians--it's racism. Plain and simple. If you listen to them and there plea for freedom from oppression and occupation, instead of your religious bias and western media, then you'd all know this.






This lady tells you plain and simple her struggles as a Palestinian Christian, and the myth that it's a Muslim Palestinian terrorist vs Israel thing.





You can watch that documentary, and see what Palestinian Christians have to say. It is made by the Palestinian Christians of the Bethlehem Bible College.

 

[kmoney]

Israel doctors the recordings from the incident?

 

[Non-Excluvistic]

Israel doctors the recordings from the incident?

Yep and on the recording at 3:40 to the end tells the story of injustice on the part of the Israeli navy. not to mention this is the third doctored recording they've released. if they were right then there only needs to be one tape and not thre completely different edited versions of the same conversation.

"Then Arraf follows. In the new version, she addresses the Israeli navy, explaining that "this is the Freedom Flotilla. We are comprised of six motor vessels, carrying only passengers and humanitarian aid destined for the Gaza Strip. We do not carry anything that constitutes a threat to your armed forces. Therefore you are not justified in using any force against us.

"The blockade of Gaza is illegal under international law. We have permission from the Gaza Port Authority to enter. We repeat we do not constitute any threat to your armed forces. You are not [Break in transmission; unidentified male English speaker says, "Navy is the best."] against unarmed civilians. Over."


Israel was in the wrong, and it is obvious they have something to hide by having to release 3 different edited versions of the same conversation.

Drop the religious bias and realize an injustice was committed against human beings.

 

[godrulz]

I must be tired. I thought it was a tape by medical 'doctors' in Israel.:kookoo:

 

[kmoney]

I must be tired. I thought it was a tape by medical 'doctors' in Israel.:kookoo:

I meant Israel manipulated the tape and put in the part about Auschwitz.

 

[Traditio]

No. International waters.

 

[Traditio]

They had knives and other weapons that led to self-defense by the soldiers (who were also injured and one may die).

An assailant can't act in self-defense.

 

[Traditio]

For all those who disagree with the blockade, please put yourself in the Israeli PM's shoes and offer an alternative that would be acceptable - keeping n mind that your chief concern is the security of your own people.

Most anti-Israel blabbermouths can't do this, and can only propose ways for Israel to self-destruct. That is an unreasonable demand to make.

They could go the route of Austria-Hungary? Dual-ethnic government?

 

[Paulos]

So was Moses also a terrorist when he told them to kill all of the men, young boys, and women who have known a man, but keep all the virgins for themselves?

When was that again?

Numbers 31:17-18; Deuteronomy 2:34; Deuteronomy 3:6; Deuteronomy 13:15; Judges 21:10-12; Ezekiel 9:6; etc.

 

[godrulz]

An assailant can't act in self-defense.

The soldiers did not go in to assault and kill the boat people. They would not have used paint ball guns if that was their motive. They were rightfully enforcing the search of a potential hazard to national security, something agreed upon by Egypt.

It is better to stop a ship sooner than later. International law allows for this in international waters. The U.S. does not wait for Russia to get within a mile of the coast or air space before they mitigate the risk.

 

[godrulz]

Numbers 31:17-18; Deuteronomy 2:34; Deuteronomy 3:6; Deuteronomy 13:15; Judges 21:10-12; Ezekiel 9:6; etc.

Divine, necessary, corporate capital punishment to deal with heinous evil, not genocide, murder, lawlessness.

Those who don't know the holiness and wrath of God do not see His wisdom to remove the cancer before it kills the innocent.

Who are we to shake our fist at the perfect God. If we followed his rules we would not have so much sin, suffering, evil, destruction, etc. Serial killers would be dealt with, not turned loose to kill, rape, murder again.

The sanctity of life vs man's failing rationalisms, etc. are relevant issues.

 

[Non-Excluvistic]

The soldiers did not go in to assault and kill the boat people. They would not have used paint ball guns if that was their motive. They were rightfully enforcing the search of a potential hazard to national security, something agreed upon by Egypt.

It is better to stop a ship sooner than later. International law allows for this in international waters. The U.S. does not wait for Russia to get within a mile of the coast or air space before they mitigate the risk.

Yes, Israel was in the right, that's why they've released three doctored up recordings of the same conversation that are different.lain:


You don't care for truth or what really happened, you have your beliefs and that's that. Stop offering phony silly post trying to justify injustice.

And for the love of God, please stop talking about international law, which you know nothing about. You are no lawyer. You are a bible thumper, stick to your specialty called fundamentalism.

 

[godrulz]

I am not familiar with these 'doctored' videos. It does not seem to be making the news? I do know Muslims tend to fall for conspiracy theories (Princess Di death, 911, etc.) that have no basis in fact.

I will wait for a more credible source than yourself. If there is evidence against Israel, then I will admit they should not be defended on that point. It still does not change all the other facts about Iran, Hamas, propaganda, media exploitation, supposed aid ships that have brought in weapons to attack Israel in the past, etc. Don't miss the forest for the trees.

 

[Non-Excluvistic]

I am not familiar with these 'doctored' videos. It does not seem to be making the news? I do know Muslims tend to fall for conspiracy theories (Princess Di death, 911, etc.) that have no basis in fact.

I will wait for a more credible source than yourself. If there is evidence against Israel, then I will admit they should not be defended on that point. It still does not change all the other facts about Iran, Hamas, propaganda, media exploitation, supposed aid ships that have brought in weapons to attack Israel in the past, etc. Don't miss the forest for the trees.

Actually, the source came from your fellow Christian kmoney, not me. You can go back a few post and see that yourself, to rid yourself of your ignorance. The only one who assumes conspiracy theories is you, just like when you assumed I must have provided a source in deceit. And it has been in the news, on the news networks, you probably spend all day watching re-runs of the 700 club, so you haven't seen it.

Like I said before, regardless of what is true or not, you will dismiss it if it goes against your preconceived notions.

At this point, your post are mere space fellers because there is nothing insightful to get from them.

 

[kmoney]

I am not familiar with these 'doctored' videos. It does not seem to be making the news? I do know Muslims tend to fall for conspiracy theories (Princess Di death, 911, etc.) that have no basis in fact.

I will wait for a more credible source than yourself. If there is evidence against Israel, then I will admit they should not be defended on that point. It still does not change all the other facts about Iran, Hamas, propaganda, media exploitation, supposed aid ships that have brought in weapons to attack Israel in the past, etc. Don't miss the forest for the trees.

Here is another link

http://maxblumenthal.com/2010/06/id...o-clip-washington-posts-kessler-must-retract/

I haven't seen it in any MSM. And it's just the audio clip. Not the video.

 

[kmoney]

What we still don't know - lack of full video evidence

Complete video still not posted

 

[kmoney]

Iran sending ships

The decision to send the two ships comes hot on the heels of a report that Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards had expressed readiness to escort aid flotillas to Gaza.

"If the respected leader of the revolution (supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei) gives an order in this regard, the Revolutionary Guards' naval forces will take a practical step using their capability and equipment to escort flotillas to Gaza," Khamenei's aide in the Guards' naval wing, Ali Shirazi, told the Mehr news agency on Sunday.​

:noid:

but.....

It was unclear, however, how the Guards would escort the flotillas as their naval wing is largely made up of speed boats and light vessels.​

Maybe Iran will challenge Israel to a boat race and if they win, the flotilla gets to continue on to Gaza. :think:

 

[Granite]

I'm surprised more here haven't just gotten all nationalistic:

They killed an American citizen. They shot the kid four times. What do you think would happen to any other country if they dared to cross that line?

 

[Yorzhik]

All this talk for a problem that can easily be solved. Go read Vox Day's Op. Ed. at wnd.com

 

[Aimiel]

but.....

It was unclear, however, how the Guards would escort the flotillas as their naval wing is largely made up of speed boats and light vessels.​

Maybe Iran will challenge Israel to a boat race and if they win, the flotilla gets to continue on to Gaza. :think:

Iran's naval capabilities and the 'elite' fighting forces of Iran... :rotfl: