toldailytopic: Does Israel have the right to blockade the Gaza Strip?

[WizardofOz]

My real question over this whole fiasco is, why now? Why did Israel decide to enact this blockade when they did?

The "why" I get. The "why now" I do not.

Anyone?

 

[jgarden]

Was the Exodus offered to dock in a nearby port and complete its stated mission?

Your little analogy fails right there.

Nice try but no cigar!

The principle of freedom of the high seas has long been a cornerstone of US foreign policy with Americans fighting in 4 wars over the last 3 centuries for the express purpose of defending it.

If that had been an America ship boarded on the high seas instead of a Turkish one, the US Mediterranean Fleet would have been dispatched in short order to teach the offending nation a painful lesson in maritime law.

No nation, whether it be America, Israel or otherwise, is obligated to accept another nation's generous offer "to dock in a nearby port and complete its stated mission" as long as it remains in international waters.

 

[Random]

My real question over this whole fiasco is, why now? Why did Israel decide to enact this blockade when they did?

The "why" I get. The "why now" I do not.

Anyone?

The blockade was enacted in 2007 and it was enacted by both Israel and Egypt. So it has been in affect for the past three years. It's not as recent as people are making it out to be. As for the why now? They just got fed up with the Gaza Strip being used to smuggle war materials to Hamas and other terrorist based organizations. It became too much of a threat to the Israeli citizens.

 

[Ktoyou]

All of that is water under the bridge.

Regardless of what has happened in the past, Israel is now an established sovereign nation similar to how the USA is an established sovereign nation. And nation's have a right to protect themselves.

What do you plan to do review the entire history of the earth and determine who has the right to be a nation and who doesn't? Are you going to "mark off" every interloper?

Heck, the entire world is filled with interlopers!

Now that is settled, is it a matter of right, or practicality? Not only Turkey, but also Britain is upset with Israel and it seems Ireland is intending on sending goods though Gaza. Will Israel have one friend, the USA? Where will this lead?

 

[kmoney]

Christians do not blindly condone Israel nor should we. On this issue, they are in the right. Minimally, an impartial investigation is needed before anyone dogmatically jumps to conclusions.

I believe that many Christians do basically condone whatever Israel does.

 

[Non-Excluvistic]

Now that is settled, is it a matter of right, or practicality? Not only Turkey, but also Britain is upset with Israel and it seems Ireland is intending on sending goods though Gaza. Will Israel have one friend, the USA? Where will this lead?

Well at least you are able to look at the overall picture. It's too bad too many people hold religious bias to justify things even when it is wrong.

In the name of religion, some of the most immoral acts will be justified, and the self-righteous will not bat an eye.

 

[kmoney]

I don't think I would argue that Israel doesn't have the RIGHT to blockade. As a nation they probably do. But I wouldn't justify the blockade. At least not in the way they are doing it. :nono: Israel does more than just prevent weapons from getting in for Hamas.

 

[Non-Excluvistic]

I believe that many Christians do basically condone whatever Israel does.

So all hope is not lost. At least some of you are able to think rationally.

 

[Granite]

Why is it every time someone does not like something, its racism? :sigh:

One would think it a new phobia or :noid:?

The word for this is racialism, check the spelling, 'racism' it is token term for "I dislike it".

Do you know what Israelis think of Palestinians?

I'll wait...

 

[Non-Excluvistic]

I am and always have been an advocate for the Palestinian people. But, as long as Hamas has control there can be no peace. bybee

But, as long as Israel continues to oppress and kill Palestinians and demo their homes, then Hamas will have no shortage of outraged young Palestinians to recruit. Saying Israel does not cause Hamas and it's recruits to grow is like saying racist whites didn't create angry black men who wanted to be in the Panthers or the NOI. Cause and effect.

 

[Ktoyou]

Do you know what [sic] some Israelis think of Palestinians?

I'll wait...

Of course I know, just as some Americans think the same thing. Are you expecting me to type it out, or do you actually believe I am a dumbbell?:wave2:

 

[Granite]

Of course I know, just as some Americans think the same thing. Are you expecting me to type it out, or do you actually believe I am a dumbbell?:wave2:

You're not stupid, deliberately.

You're not a dumb Israeli shill on purpose.

I'll give you that much.

Night.

:cheers:

 

[Ktoyou]

But, as long as Israel continues to oppress and kill Palestinians and demo their homes, then Hamas will have no shortage of outraged young Palestinians to recruit. Saying Israel does not cause Hamas and it's recruits to grow is like saying racist whites didn't create angry black men who wanted to be in the Panthers or the NOI. Cause and effect.

You may have a point about the Palestinians, I do not really know?

However, it is not racist whites who create angry black men, rather white liberals and false promises and ideology, as well as other angry black men.

 

[Todah]

toldailytopic: Does Israel have the right to blockade the Gaza Strip?

To paraphrase Roger Miller's lyrics.
If Israel does not have the right to blockade the Gaza strip.........

Then God didn't make little green apples, and it don't rain in Indianapolis in the summer time.
There's no such thing as Dr. Seuss, Disney land, and Mother Goose,
no nursery rhymes.

And God didn't make little green apples, and it don't snow in Minneapolis when the winter comes.
No puppy dogs, no make believe, no autumn leaves, no BB guns.....

feel free to make up your own non sequiter lyrics, such as

If Israel doesn't have the right to blockade, then

God didn't make people with brains, and it don't rain rockets in Gaza when the Muslims come.
No terrorists, no roadside bombs,, no Muslims with uzi guns, no Koran at all.


Sing it with feeling.

 

[MaryContrary]

But, as long as Israel continues to oppress and kill Palestinians and demo their homes, then Hamas will have no shortage of outraged young Palestinians to recruit. Saying Israel does not cause Hamas and it's recruits to grow is like saying racist whites didn't create angry black men who wanted to be in the Panthers or the NOI. Cause and effect.

Would an angry black man be justified in any wrong thing they do as a result of being tempted to anger by evil white folk, do you think? Is anyone justified in any wrong so long as they can establish someone else angered them?

In case you're missing what you're saying here, I'll try to illustrate: Even if everyone on the planet and throughout all human history agreed that Israel is responsible for all anger everywhere on the planet and throughout all of human history it won't justify one single wrongdoing as a result.

If you're going to argue that terrorism will continue so long as terrorists are angry....then yeah, you're right. And, according to you, all terrorists are justified because they're all angry at someone about something or other.

You know, if everyone thought like you then probably the earth would be down to one lone survivor in short order. Who'd probably get angry at themselves for something stupid they did sooner or later and blow their own head off.

You, sir, are blaming the victim.

And please, don't bother arguing the victim here deserves it in order to justify you're blaming them. Because that'd pretty much establish there's no hope for you.

 

[jgarden]

1. The Obama Administration has to be livid that the Israeli government, in its infinite wisdom, would deliberately violate one of the longstanding cornerstones of US foreign policy - the principle of the freedom of the seas. Americans have engaged in 4 wars spanning 3 different centuries to defend the very principle that Israel chose to ignore.

2. Much has been made of Palestinian "terrorist groups," like Hamas, but they are certainly no worse than those conducted by the Jewish "terrorist groups" (Irgun, the Stern Gang) during the 1930's and 40's prior to Israel achieving statehood in 1948.

..... In all 7 British soldiers were killed , most were unarmed. This attack had a very serious effect on the British Army, which had previously been very sympathetic to the Jewish cause.

The 6th Airbourne Division had seen alot of fighting in northwest Europe towards the ends of the war and had first had experience of liberating Nazi concentration camps. As a result the airborne soldiers had arrived in Palestine prepared to help and support the Jewish community. But the Stern Gang's attack and the murders of August 25, 1946 changed all that.

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/kidnap.htm

3. Many of those responsible for committing Jewish terrorist attacks, including the murder of the 7 members of the 6th Airborne Division, went on to hold important positions in the Israeli government, including 2 prime ministers.

 

[Ktoyou]

Would an angry black man be justified in any wrong thing they do as a result of being tempted to anger by evil white folk, do you think? Is anyone justified in any wrong so long as they can establish someone else angered them?

In case you're missing what you're saying here, I'll try to illustrate: Even if everyone on the planet and throughout all human history agreed that Israel is responsible for all anger everywhere on the planet and throughout all of human history it won't justify one single wrongdoing as a result.

If you're going to argue that terrorism will continue so long as terrorists are angry....then yeah, you're right. And, according to you, all terrorists are justified because they're all angry at someone about something or other.

You know, if everyone thought like you then probably the earth would be down to one lone survivor in short order. Who'd probably get angry at themselves for something stupid they did sooner or later and blow their own head off.

You, sir, are blaming the victim.

And please, don't bother arguing the victim here deserves it in order to justify you're blaming them. Because that'd pretty much establish there's no hope for you.

I agree, yet I think, in their case, being angry is reason enough for them to be terrorists. I do not think one can reason with them. Therefore, it seems Israel needs to appear most reasonable to gain support. I do not pretend to know the answer; the more time becomes behind me, the less I know about these earthly matters.

 

[godrulz]

Now that is settled, is it a matter of right, or practicality? Not only Turkey, but also Britain is upset with Israel and it seems Ireland is intending on sending goods though Gaza. Will Israel have one friend, the USA? Where will this lead?

It is debatable whether the US under Obama is nearly as pro-Israel as under Bush. I think it could be argued that Israel is standing alone (before Armageddon, no one but the returning Messiah will come to her aid....we are not there yet).

I think Canada may be one of her last allies. O, Canada....we stand on guard for thee.... (our Prime Minister is a true Christian, but I am skeptical about Obama).

 

[Vaquero45]

It (obviously) violates someone's free will to their (obvious) detriment.

Neat, but why should I or anyone else care about someone else's will or detriment?

 

[mighty_duck]

My real question over this whole fiasco is, why now? Why did Israel decide to enact this blockade when they did?

The "why" I get. The "why now" I do not.

Anyone?

The blockade has been in force ever since the Hamas terrorist organization violently took over the Gaza strip in 2007.
These terrorists brazenly call for the destruction of Israel, and have fired and continue to fire thousands of rockets and mortars aimed at civilian population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007–2010_blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip