toldailytopic: Avatar Movie. Did you like it?
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The Berean
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So I guess you hated the entire Star Wars series as well? :chuckle:
The Berean
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I was totally rooting for the Navi.
:CRASH: Jerk humans messing with their home.
Stupid humans got pwned! :maxi:
Egbert
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Yes.
Please explain how that follows logically. Were the Rocky movies anti-Black and anti-Russian? Was Braveheart anti-English?
Please explain how that follows logically. Were the Rocky movies anti-Black and anti-Russian? Was Braveheart anti-English?
Flipper
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I agree with every word of this critique...
http://jordanpossblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/lousy-movies-avatar.html
http://jordanpossblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/lousy-movies-avatar.html
It was entertaining (required) and had great special effects (bonus feature). As a morality play, I thought it hilarious with the "workers of the world, unite(!)" ending. Here are peaceful, benign, at-one-with-nature, ideal (nobody has a job) natives. As with all such themes, I wondered why these perfected beings always have lethal weapons with them.
It was also puzzling that Unobtainium (catchy name) was found only in one place on the entire planet, Pandora (another catchy reference), viz., under the Big Tree the Ni'va lived in. If the evil earthlings couldn't go there without getting whacked, how did they know it was there? With the technology the evil capitalist earthlings had, why didn't they bargain for it, since the natives had, apparently, no use for it? The evil earthlings could have figured a way to get the stuff without damaging the Big Tree. But, as is the case, the evil ones had to be portrayed as stupid, brutish, clumsy, ignorant, etc.
Wondered the same thing about Star Trek. The premise there was a perfected social order where there was no crime (supposedly), no need for money, no evil capitalism. Everybody acted in lock-step socialist altruism. Except for the folks who inhabited the biggest, baddest, most-powerful, space-born weapons system imaginable. And then there was the constant theme that they were "peaceful explorers." That's ok by me. But wait! Now, the liberals are telling me that Columbus and Coronado were "bad guys?"
The intrinsic inconsistencies of such themes give one an appreciation for the word "irony."
It was also puzzling that Unobtainium (catchy name) was found only in one place on the entire planet, Pandora (another catchy reference), viz., under the Big Tree the Ni'va lived in. If the evil earthlings couldn't go there without getting whacked, how did they know it was there? With the technology the evil capitalist earthlings had, why didn't they bargain for it, since the natives had, apparently, no use for it? The evil earthlings could have figured a way to get the stuff without damaging the Big Tree. But, as is the case, the evil ones had to be portrayed as stupid, brutish, clumsy, ignorant, etc.
Wondered the same thing about Star Trek. The premise there was a perfected social order where there was no crime (supposedly), no need for money, no evil capitalism. Everybody acted in lock-step socialist altruism. Except for the folks who inhabited the biggest, baddest, most-powerful, space-born weapons system imaginable. And then there was the constant theme that they were "peaceful explorers." That's ok by me. But wait! Now, the liberals are telling me that Columbus and Coronado were "bad guys?"
The intrinsic inconsistencies of such themes give one an appreciation for the word "irony."
Well said.
Alate_One
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Yes exactly. I enjoyed avatar, though all the hype surrounding it makes me like it less.
The world building was really quite well done though.Still the story was nothing else if SAFE for the filmmakers. No question as to whether it would work on the audience, since it had already been done to death. Filmmakers seem unfortunately unwilling to take risks these days . . .
And I think we all noticed the indention...:think: Enjoyable movie though, even so.
Memento Mori
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I found this movie rather boring. I saw it in 3D (not IMAX) and I did not find it worth the $20 (for 2). The story was boring. I found the effects lame. Also, the similarities between Earth and this planet were too great. And unobtainium? Common on...
nicholsmom
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What a great movie! It didn't seem too long to me since it took just that long to properly tell that story with that sort of visual effect.
I loved the emphasis on courage and selflessness throughout The movie made clear contrasts in the characters of those who thought too highly of themselves that they would not take risks (the scientists), and those who thought more of their clan members than of themselves as so took those risks. I also liked it that the one who managed to bridge the gap was one who was a warrior (and so, brave), and who learned to recognize who was, and who was not his enemy.
I loved the emphasis on courage and selflessness throughout The movie made clear contrasts in the characters of those who thought too highly of themselves that they would not take risks (the scientists), and those who thought more of their clan members than of themselves as so took those risks. I also liked it that the one who managed to bridge the gap was one who was a warrior (and so, brave), and who learned to recognize who was, and who was not his enemy.
Newman
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It wasn't anti-military, anti-capitalist, or anti-human being.
The violent force was not military, they were paid soldiers of that corporation. Although I wouldn't be surprised if the U.S. military did do something like that.
The movie was entirely pro-capitalist. The Na'vi owned their land, so the mining corp. had no right to destroy, invade, or even mine on their private property without permission.
The aliens were definitely humanized to the point where any viewer can assume the Na'vi as essentially human (I mean, they had thoughts, feelings, emotions, communication, two legs, two arms, two eyeballs, a brain, etc.). The movie sympathized with Na'vi in the same way Disney's Pocahontas sympathized with the natives. Just because most of the newcomers were bad guys doesn't make the movie anti-human.
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I totally agree.
I just saw today that Mark Driscoll of Mars Hill Church says that it was a Satanic movie. You can read about it here:
http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/archives/195724.asp
This sort of goes along with what Clete said.
http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/archives/195724.asp
This sort of goes along with what Clete said.
Quasar1011
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The only "good" humans portrayed in Avatar were the ones who switched sides, and became like the Na'vi. The lead character wanted to "convert" more than he wanted his own human legs back!
When the Colonel began to refer to the natives as "terrorists" who will feel the "shock and awe" of our attack, the viewer couldn't help but identify that as twisted logic- and a veiled attack by the producer on the Bush years. It was anti-human because it was unbalanced and did not show the best of humanity; the pathos was with the Na'vi.
It was anti-American because it was pretty much a re-write of Pocahontas. There, in Jamestown, the settlers attacked the natives; but in Plymouth colony, the settlers did not steal the native's land at all, and lived in peace with them. That is a better message of American values and human dignity than Pocahontas/Avatar displayed.
I might remind everyone that land is given by God:
Acts 17:26
From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.
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