ECT They can't be the same

[heir]

According to scripture did Paul preach the gospel of the kingdom of God?

No

Paul could not even be forgiven under it.

Matthew 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Matthew 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

According to scripture did Jesus preach the gospel of the kingdom of God?

Yes

Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

 

[heir]

Didn't Jesus say that He would die for our sins and rise again the third day?

Pete

No

 

[Cross Reference]

No

Paul could not even be forgiven under it.

Matthew 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Matthew 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


Yes

Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

WOW! What a distortion of who Jesus was speaking of. No insight whatsoever.

 

[theophilus]

But then, does that matter if we live by faith . . especially by His faith?

We walk (live) by faith and not by sight, a faith that has been given to us by grace; that grace what was conceived before the earth was formed and has been given to us - decreed from eternity past within the Godhead, in the fullness of time.

 

[heir]

Oh sorry, yes He did:

Luke: 24. 46. And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47. And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Pete

It's not there. You are retro fitting the gospel Paul preached into the text. You mustn't do that 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV.

 

[heir]

Oh sorry, no He didn't. You are back-reading later revelation into prior texts.

He did not say here that He died as the sacrifice for the sins of each individual in the entire world. It is true that He did so, but He did not say it and no one knew it yet. No one knowingly preached that message as the saving Gospel until it was revealed to Paul.

:up:

 

[Cross Reference]

We walk (live) by faith and not by sight, a faith that has been given to us by grace; that grace what was conceived before the earth was formed and has been given to us - decreed from eternity past within the Godhead, in the fullness of time.

Repentance by grace, not faith unless you are thinking of the [Pentecostal] Faith of Christ Jesus as Paul declared in Gal 2:20 KJV or linear Greek text.

 

[heir]

Don't make the grave error of assuming Peter, James, John and Stephen preached Christ's death, burial and resurrection for the sins of Jews and Gentiles alike and without distinction, on the basis of faith alone, entirely apart from national Israel. They did not know that at the time.

Even at the hearing of the Lord's impending death (and not the why of the cross as Paul taught) Peter's reaction should show that this wasn't something that they KNEW should happen nor something they gloried in!

Matthew 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

Matthew 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

 

[heir]

Would you also say John didn't know Jesus was the Word made flesh (Jn 1:14) until Paul revealed it. Oops, maybe he didn't reveal it. What do you think?

The who of Jesus Christ is not the WHY of the cross. The 12 knew WHO the Lord was.

Matthew 16:14-17 KJV

 

[heir]

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.



Is it hard for thee to kick against the pricks?

That has nothing to do with the gospel of the kingdom being different from that of the gospel of Christ.

 

[Cross Reference]

[]The who of Jesus Christ is not the WHY of the cross.

Really? That's interesting.

The 12 knew WHO the Lord was.
Matthew 16:14-17 KJV

Not according to that passage.

When did they know? Did all know at the same time?

 

[fzappa13]

While many things are possible the change you speak of is not scriptural...as in a typological or morphological change.

They sinned, they fell, their sin was covered by God - Heb. 9:22

So, then you feel that the bodies Adam and Eve were originally given were destined to taste death before their transgression?

 

[musterion]

Even at the hearing of the Lord's impending death (and not the why of the cross as Paul taught) Peter's reaction should show that this wasn't something that they KNEW should happen nor something they gloried in!

:think:

So where do the worker bees get off saying the DBR was the Good News of salvation even while Christ was alive?

 

[theophilus]

Repentance by grace, not faith unless you are thinking of the [Pentecostal] Faith of Christ Jesus as Paul declared in Gal 2:20 KJV or linear Greek text.

By grace I am saved through faith, and that not of myself, it is a gift of God, not of works so that I may not boast.

 

[theophilus]

So, then you feel that the bodies Adam and Eve were originally given were destined to taste death before their transgression?

No, but their "everything" fell when they sinned and subsequently cast out of the garden.

Honestly I think Adam and Eve were meant to split the atom. They just chose not to do as they were told.

 

[jamie]

No

Paul could not even be forgiven under it.

And when they had preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch, strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying, “We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.” (Acts 14:21-22 NKJV)


So when they had appointed him a day, many came to him at his lodging, to whom he explained and solemnly testified of the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus from both the Law of Moses and the Prophets, from morning till evening.
(Acts 28:23 NKJV)


Then Paul dwelt two whole years in his own rented house, and received all who came to him, preaching the kingdom of God and teaching the things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ with all confidence, no one forbidding him. (Acts 28:30-31 NKJV)​

Do you still say Paul didn't preach the kingdom of God?

 

[Cross Reference]

And when they had preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch, strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying, “We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.” (Acts 14:21-22 NKJV)


So when they had appointed him a day, many came to him at his lodging, to whom he explained and solemnly testified of the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus from both the Law of Moses and the Prophets, from morning till evening. (Acts 28:23 NKJV)


Then Paul dwelt two whole years in his own rented house, and received all who came to him, preaching the kingdom of God and teaching the things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ with all confidence, no one forbidding him. (Acts 28:30-31 NKJV)​

Do you still say Paul didn't preach the kingdom of God?

Why of course or one would lose his membership in the club. Truth doesn't matter in this but how loud can one shout!!!

 

[jamie]

Why of course or one would lose his membership in the club. Truth doesn't matter in this but how loud can one shout!!!

I believe Heir will acknowledge the truth.

 

[glorydaz]

And when they had preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch, strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying, “We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.” (Acts 14:21-22 NKJV)


So when they had appointed him a day, many came to him at his lodging, to whom he explained and solemnly testified of the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus from both the Law of Moses and the Prophets, from morning till evening.
(Acts 28:23 NKJV)


Then Paul dwelt two whole years in his own rented house, and received all who came to him, preaching the kingdom of God and teaching the things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ with all confidence, no one forbidding him. (Acts 28:30-31 NKJV)​

Do you still say Paul didn't preach the kingdom of God?

I believe Heir was talking about the Gospel of Christ as opposed to the Gospel of the Kingdom. The question being one of Good News.

 

[jamie]

I believe Heir was talking about the Gospel of Christ as opposed to the Gospel of the Kingdom. The question being one of Good News.

The gospel of Christ is about the kingdom.

Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God and saying, “The time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent and believe in the gospel.” (Mark 1:14-15 NKJV)​