There are two sets of people calling themselves Christians. One authentic, one fake.

[Gurucam]

Wick Stick & Grosnick Marowbe, both fooled by the Jews.

Wick Stick & Grosnick Marowbe, both fooled by the Jews.

Dear Wick Stick & Grosnick Marowbe,

Do you know:

1 Thessalonians: 2 KJV N.T.
14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

. . . and traditional/main stream Christians are probably routing, big time, for the Jews Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us (Christians); and they please not God, and are contrary to all men.

The Jews have you fooled.

The Jews are the unawares, false spying brethren, who are mentioned in:

Galatians 2
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage

Galatians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Do you now understand why only a few are chosen and none could be among the billion strong traditional/main stream Christians who all esteem the O.T./Mosaic/ten commandments tradition and not the N.T./spirit and Spirit/Christian tradition . . . and they are foolish, bold-face and arrogant with their total folly (like you two).

The billion strong traditional/mainstream Christians are also foolishly, erroneously and arrogantly esteeming the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man, Jesus (who is not the Lord for Christians) instead of esteeming the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Jesus, who is the Lord from heaven and the Lord for Christians:

Matthew: 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Acts: 13 King James Version (KJV)
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Matthew: 24 King James Version (KJV)
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Mark: 12 King James Version (KJV)
24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

Matthew: 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

:the_wave: . . . :cheers: . . . :wave:​

Celebrate, Christ consciousness, i.e. the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus, is finally ruling on the surface of earth. This the Spirit that was promised to Abraham and his generation by God, very 'many moons ago.

The evil and adulterous Jews all refuse to look to things that are 'not seen' and eternal and deliberately and actively denied and undermined this Spirit. This Spirit is finally strengthened and ruling on the surface of earth and many will be cast out of here and into the depths of earth, where the sun and stars do not reach/shine.

Christ consciousness is the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love.

. . . can't you (sixth) sense it?

. . . if you can't (sixth) sense it and all you can do is argue foolishly, well . . . "Crapaud smoke yuh pipe"

 

[Gurucam]

Christ consciousness is strengethed and ruling the surface of earth, are you counted?

Christ consciousness is strengethed and ruling the surface of earth, are you counted?

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:the_wave: . . . :cheers: . . . :wave:​

Celebrate, Christ consciousness, i.e. the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus, is finally ruling on the surface of earth. This is the Spirit that was promised to Abraham and his generation by God, very 'many moons' ago.

The evil and adulterous Jews all refuse to look to things that are 'not seen' and eternal and deliberately and actively denied and undermined this Spirit. This Spirit is finally strengthened and ruling on the surface of earth and many will be cast out of here and into the depths of earth, where the sun and stars do not reach/shine.

Christ consciousness is the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love.

. . . can't you (sixth) sense it?

. . . if you can't (sixth) sense it and all you can do is argue foolishly, well . . . "Crapaud smoke yuh pipe"

 

[Gurucam]

God's entire aim was for everyone to receive the promise of the Spirit of Jesus:

God's entire aim was for everyone to receive the promise of the Spirit of Jesus:

God's entire aim was for Gentiles, Abraham and his generations to totally drop all laws (including the ten commandments) and totally receive the promise of the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

The physical, 'seen' son of man Jesus was temporal. Since 2000 odd years ago, he is no more and he was not the Lord, for Christians. The Spirit, 'not seen', Son of God, Jesus is eternal. He is the Lord for Christians:

1 Corinthians: 15
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Christians are those who know and are led, intuitively/spiritually, individually and privately, in real time, all the time, by the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus. This is described as the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. If you are not into this, you have totally missed the 'boat to heaven':

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Only a chosen few embrace and adapted God's aim.

The very great majority of Gentiles and Abraham's generations did the exact opposite. They embraced and adopted the ten commandments and totally ignored and relegated the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the ten commandments.

Fact is Christ consciousness is now ruling on earth. judgment time is at hand.

The question is where do you stand . . . on which side? Do you stand on the right/spirit/intuitive side, with law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the ten commandments. Or do you stand on the left/physical/intellectual side, under the ten commandments?

Matthew: 25 King James Version (KJV)
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

The aim of God for Gentiles and Abraham and His generation is confirmed in the following:

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
1 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

One comes onto the Holy Spirit only by going through the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love:

John 14:6King James Version (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

(No one comes onto the Spirit of the Father/the Holy Spirit but by going through the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love.)

Galatians: 3 verse: 1 KJV N.T., above, confirms that God's entire aim for the Gentiles and Abraham and His generation was for them to receive the promise of the Spirit. The promise of the Spirit is 'the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the ten commandments'.

This, therefore, gave rise to the question, why was the ten commandments given (in the first place)?:

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

The above addresses why the ten commandments were given (what purpose did it serve?). The ten commandments were given for temporary use. The ten commandments were given for managing people until the seed could come to those who the promise of Spirit was made. The ten commandments were ordained by Saints according to One who mediated/interceded, on their behalf with the Holy Spirit.

However:

Romans: 9 KJV N.T.
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh (Ishmael and his generations), these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise (Isaac and his generations) are counted for the seed.
9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son (Isaac).

Galatians:4 King James Version (KJV)
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Therefore the myth that everyone is a child of God is Satan & co fooling you guys. Only the generations of Isaac are children of God and they are the chosen few.

The following also confirm the original point. That is, the following confirm that ten commandments were given for temporary use. The ten commandments were given for managing people until the seed could come to those who the promise of Spirit was made:

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

The ten commandments were done away with because:

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

The ten commandments were done away with because it killeth. Every one who esteem, use, invoke and promote the ten commandments accrue sin, die spiritually and go to hell, inside the earth, with Satan. The Spirit of Jesus was introduced so that one can be delivered from the ten commandments which is a curse. However not all of Abraham's generations and all Gentiles were liberated from the ten commandments which is a curse.

Galatians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Fact is only those who were able to live the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, could be and were liberated from the ten commandments, and these were a few, (the chosen few). These were Abraham, Isaac and Issac's generations. Every one else, of both Abraham's generation and Gentiles remained stuck under the ten commandments.

The aim was for people to be kept under the ten commandments until they were converted.

Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

The aim was to keep people under the ten commandments, until they become converted. To be converted is to become aware of or awakened to one's own spirit/heart. This is to have one's spirit saved. This defined the Jesus given mission of Peter's church:

Matthew: 16 King James Version (KJV)
22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

1 Corinthians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

The Jesus given aim of Peter and his church was to convert 'the dead' to spiritual awareness (this was the upper limit of Peter, his descendants and their commission). Then pass them onto Paul's Christian commission.

Only when one is awakened to one's own spirit/heart (is converted,) can one discern the Spirit of Jesus and have have faith in the Spirit of Jesus and be led by the Spirit of Jesus and be 'healed', by Jesus.. This is the only path.

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Recently Clinton and her wide rage of intellectually oriented supporters totally misjudged U.S.A. population and Clinton & co. lost the U.S.A. election, although, among then Clinton win was a clear given. They err seriously and badly. Then they were weeping and garnishing their teeth, in bitter disappointment.

Soon there will be weeping and garnishing of teeth in similar bitter disappointment by those who are totally removed from God's kingdom of heaven on the surface of earth, according to:

Luke: 13 KJV N.T.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

There is a serious, very sad and seemingly terminal cost for desecrating and corrupting Paul's teaching and the Holy KJV N.T. so as to have these support the O.T./Mosaic/ten commandment tradition by pretend Christians. This seemed to have been, the 2000 year old, preoccupation of Peter & co. and the billion strong traditional/main stream Christians.

 

[CherubRam]

Question? What does mainstream Christianity teach that the others do not? And what do you think about Pagan beliefs being added to scriptures?

 

[Gurucam]

Question? What does mainstream Christianity teach that the others do not? And what do you think about Pagan beliefs being added to scriptures?

There are no 'others'. There is just 'other'. There are just 1.) main stream Christians and 2.) authentic Christians.

There are just two groupings among those who are called to be Christians. They are as follows:

1. there are the few who are authentic Christians. They know scriptures and the power of God accurately. Therefore they do not err and are therefore chosen.
2. there are the many who are the great majority of those called Christians. They do not know scriptures and the power of God accurately. Therefore they err seriously and they are not chosen.

The above is the clear and literal message in the Holy KJV N.T.:

Matthew: 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Mark: 12 King James Version (KJV)
24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

A billion or even hundreds of millions of people who share the same idea about Christianity cannot be the few who know scriptures and the power of God accurately and do not err and are chosen.

Also a billion or even hundreds of millions of people who share the same idea about Christianity cannot be the few who found the straight gate and narrow way:

Matthew: 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

My answer to your question is based on the above, so here goes: Based on the above, it is very clear that pretty much everything that a billion or even hundreds of millions of people share about Christianity must be wrong. This is because only a few will find the straight gate and narrow way that leadeth to Christianity.

I can share the message of what is the basis of authentic Christianity, as literally and clearly confirmed in the Holy KJV N.T.. Clearly this would have to be the wisdom of the chosen few. That is, this would not be common knowledge.

The only legitimate source for Christianity is only and totally the Holy KJV N.T.. No other version of the N.T. can be trusted and no version of the O.T. can be counted. No other source is needed or counts.

Stay independently and solely, on the clear and literal revelations in the Holy KJV N.T. and you can and will be covered totally and accurately.

Christianity is anchored on:

Hebrews: 9 King James Version (KJV)
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Therefore Christianity is anchored on judgment after death and a destination based on that Judgment. Judgment will be according to what you esteem, believe, invoke, say, do, pray for and promote, in this life:

Galatians: 6 King James Version (KJV)
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Indeed Christianity is anchored on what one soweth in one's current life. And one was warned to be led by the Spirit of Intercession?Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Love, as discerned within one's own heart/spirit, as follow:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Separation and dispatch is based on:

Matthew: 25 King James Version (KJV)
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

No Christian wants to go to, everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. Christians want to go to the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

Therefore Christianity is anchored on the mansion in God's house, in heaven which Jesus when ahead to prepare for his followers:

John: 14 King James Version (KJV)
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

The above is about going to God's kingdom of heaven, in the particular mansion (in God's kingdom of heaven) which Jesus has prepared for His followers.

Note that Christianity is not about going to God's kingdom of heaven, per say. Christianity is about going to God's kingdom of heaven, in the particular mansion (in God's kingdom of heaven) which Jesus has prepared for His followers.

Therefore Christianity is anchored on knowing and being guided by, the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven according to the prescriptions of the Lord Jesus.

If you seek my guidance this is where we must start. I must guide you to the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven, as detailed by the Lord Jesus, according to revelations in the Holy KJV N.T..

Are you ready?

 

[CherubRam]

Babylonian Mystery

Quoting Mr. Larkin: "When Attalus, the Pontiff and King of Pergamos, died B.C. 133, he bequeathed the Headship of the Babylonian Priesthood to Rome. When the Etruscans came to Italy from Lydia (The region of Pergamos), they brought with them the Babylonian religion and rites. They set up a Pontiff who was head of the Priesthood. Later the Romans accepted this Pontiff as their civil ruler. Julius Caesar was made Pontiff of the Etruscan Order in B.C. 74. In B. C. 63, he was made Supreme Pontiff of the "Babylonian Order," thus becoming heir to the rights an title of Attalus, Pontiff of Pergamos…Thus the first Roman Emperor becomes head of the "Babylonian Priesthood" and Rome the successor of Babylon (p. 151-152)."

The Emperor Gratain in A.D. 376, for Christian reasons, refused this title. And in 378 A. D Bishop Damasus of the Church at Rome became the head of the "Babylonian Order," and ruler of the "Roman Catholic Church."

The Catholic Encyclopedia (Thomas Nelson, 1976) states: "It is within the city of Rome, called the city of seven hills, that the entire area of Vatican State proper is now confined." Catholic apologist Karl Keating writes: "Babylon is a code word for Rome."

 

[Gurucam]

CherubRam,

Re-read post: 46, above. It is totally and literally revelations from the Holy KJV N.T. One reading will not suffice. Then ask any question related to these literal revelations from the Holy KJV N.T.

Do not go through third parties. Accept no opinions or interpretations. Accept no other historic record be it from emperors, the Catholic church or any other source.

"The Catholic Encyclopedia (Thomas Nelson, 1976) states: "It is within the city of Rome, called the city of seven hills, that the entire area of Vatican State proper is now confined." Catholic apologist Karl Keating writes: "Babylon is a code word for Rome.""

Never forget that the Catholic church did the Catholic inquisition, where by their own admission, they brutally killed millions who simply dared to oppose their interpretation of scriptures and their power. It takes spiritually dead/loveless/Godless people to perceive of and commit that Catholic inquisition. These are the same kind of people who killed the Lord Jesus:

1 Thessalonians: 2 KJV N.T.
14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us (Christians); and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

Clearly Peter & co. remained Jews.

For your own safety, accept the only legitimate source for Christianity. This is only and totally the Holy KJV N.T.. No other version of the N.T. can be trusted and no version of the O.T. can be counted. No other source is needed or counts.

Mr. Larkin's opinion would not guide you to the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven, as prescribed by the Lord Jesus in the Holy KJV N.T.. Do not seek a history lesson, that could have very easily been doctored to suit some carnal/Satanic agenda. Instead accept the Holy KJV N.T..

My intuitive insights from the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus, as discerned through my own heart/spirit, tell me that truth in the Holy KJV N.T. is intact and totally useful.

If you seek to be a Christian (i.e. one of the chosen few), the literal revelations in Holy KJV N.T. must be your direct, total and only source for information.

If you do not accept the literal revelation in the Holy KJV N.T. as your only and total source for Christian information and guidance, I cannot engage or help you. We will have no truth based, common grounds.

The very physical and material ('save your treasures on earth') Vatican State cannot represent the Christian version of God's kingdom of heaven. Seems that the Vatican state and holding is Satan's kingdom. Indeed Satan is one who savorest the things of man and not the things of God.

Matthew: 16 KJV N.T.
23 But he turned, and said onto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan, thou art an offense onto me: for thou sauourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men

Christians are advised:

Matthew: 6 King James Version (KJV)
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

The Christian version of God's kingdom of heaven is:

Luke: 17 King James Version (KJV)
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts (searches within) knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

When one is led into one's works on earth, by the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love, as discerned within one's own heart/spirit, one bring God's kingdom of heaven, that is within one, to material expression on the surface of earth. This is how to create and sustain God's kingdom of heaven, on earth, the Christian way.

This has nothing to do with being led by, ruled over by and/or guided by, any one, including not by a pope/Vatican city etc.

All Christians are led directly, individually, privately and intuitively by the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love as discerned in real time, all the time through one's own heart/spirit. For Christians there is no pope, priest, bishop, physical church organization, physical church building, vatican city and/or the likes.

The Christian church of Jesus is totally 'not seen' and operates totally 'not seen'. It is headed and led by, the Spirit that was promised by God to Abraham and his generations. This Spirit is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus.

In this (spirit only) format Jesus is the pure Son of the Holy Spirit. In this (spirit only) format, the Spirit of Jesus is also the Spirit of Truth, Spirit of Intercession and Spirit of Love. In this Spirit only format Jesus is the Lord of Christians.

The Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth is not the Holy Spirit. The Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth is the Spirit of Intercession, who goes between (intercedes between) the spirit/heart of each Christian and the Holy Spirit and comes up with what each Christian must know, pray for, say and do.

What the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love has in mind for each Christian to know, pray for, say and do is a perfect amalgam of 1.) the ideas, beliefs, interests, needs, desires and aspirations that is the essential fabric of each of their own heart/spirit and 2.) the will of God which is the Holy Spirit.

Christians search each of their own hearts/spirits, in real time, all the time, to know what this Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love has in ind for each of them to know, pray for, say and do, in real time, all the time.

The physical 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus is not the Lord for Christians. The physical 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus was a messiah for the Jews of 2000 odd years ago.

For those Jews, who at that time, ceased being Jews and became Christians, Jesus represented their final sacrificial lamb for all their sins, up to that time. Then as Christians they could accrue no more sin. They benefited fully from the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus who was their messiah.

For those Jews who remained Jews, Jesus counted for nothing (they got no benefit from Jesus). They remained under the law of sin and death, as if the physical Jesus never came among them.

 

[CherubRam]

Historical facts are not opinions. And. Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

 

[Gurucam]

Historical facts are not opinions. And. Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

You are right in pointing out that the ten commandments is a curse. It is the law of sin and death. It killeth and eventually delivers one into hell, inside the depths of the earth, with satan.

However your quote is incomplete:

Romans: 3 King James Version (KJV)
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

That statement was made to the Jews, 2000 odd years ago. That statement was made about the Jews of 2000 odd years ago. And it applied only to them and continue to apply only to those who continue to esteem, use, invoke and promote the ten commandments:

Romans 3:19King James Version (KJV)
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

At that time, 2000 years ago Jesus gave a New covenant which dismissed that Old one so as to redeemed them from the ten commandment which is a curse:

Hebrew: 8 KJV N.T.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Galatians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Jesus did away with the ten commandments, for those who believe in Him and follow Him and so became Christians:

Romans: 3 King James Version (KJV)
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

The following is the reward for those who believe and follow Jesus:

Acts: 13 King James Version (KJV)
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Those who continue to esteem, use, invoke and promote the ten commandments are 'the dead who bury their dead':

Matthew: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

 

[CherubRam]

The moral commands of God have not been done away with. Matthew 5:17
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

 

[CherubRam]

It was the old priesthood that was done away with, along with those laws of the priesthood and its feast.

 

[Gurucam]

The moral commands of God have not been done away with. Matthew 5:17
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

The law (the ten commandments) was not done away with for every one. The law were done away with for Christians, i.e. those who follow Jesus.

Romans 3:19King James Version (KJV)
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

The above confirms that the ten commandments are intact for those who remained under the law. However righteousness of God without the ten commandments was introduced for Christians. Christians are those who dropped Moses and follow Jesus:

Romans: 3 King James Version (KJV)
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Acts: 13 King James Version (KJV)
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

There are lots more similar revelations. Here is one more:

The following revelation from the Holy KJV N.T. instructs newly spiritually aware people to transgress the 'thou shall not covet' commandment so as to get new procreating partners according to spirit/love.

The following revelation from the Holy KJV N.T. says: those who uphold the 'thou shall not covet' commandment bring forth only children of the flesh, like Ishmael.

However when couples transgress the 'thou shall not covet' commandment and serve in spirit/love they stop bringing forth children of the flesh (like Ishmael) and start bringing forth only children of God, like Issac:

Romans: 7 King James Version (KJV)
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

The law mentioned in the above is the 'thou shall not covet' commandments. And the revelation is about marriage, procreation, coveting and fruits of marriage (i.e. children).

The above revelations also says that the 'thou shall not covet' commandments killeth. The above revelation also says that when people are under obedience to this commandment, they bring forth only children of the flesh.

The above says: "now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held" . . . i.e. Only 'the dead' are held under the 'thou shall not covet' commandment. And they are held under the 'thou' shall not covet' commandments until they cease being 'the dead' and become spiritually aware.

The above is addressed to people who can, now, serve in the newness of spirit. A person who can now serve in the newness of spirit is a newly spiritually aware person. This is a person who recently stop being 'the dead' and is now spiritually aware. Such a person is instructed to transgress the 'thou shall not covet' commandments so as to serve in the newness of spirit/love.

The term in the Holy KJV N.T. for 'the dead' who becomes spiritually aware is 'converted'.

The above mentioned, 'being dead wherein we were held'. This 'the dead' 'The dead' are those who are not given to follow Jesus:

Matthew: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

Only 'the dead who bury their dead' are under the ten commandments. The ten commandments were not done away with for 'the dead who bury their dead'.

Those who follow Jesus are different. The ten commandments were 'done away with' for Christians. Christians are justified to do all things, which they were not justified to do by the law of Moses. The ten commandments are not only 'done away with' for these people. These people are instructed to transgress the ten commandments so as to serve, spirit/love, unconditionally. These are Christians. They are a few, only the chosen few.

The above confirm, in absolute clarity, that if you esteem, use, invoke and promote the ten commandments your offspring are all children of the flesh and not children of God.

Are you scared of this fact and that is why you want to promote that everyone is under the law? . . . because you feel good only when you believe that every one is in the same hell bent basket? You are gravely mistaken . . . every one is not in the same basket.

You should look into this seriously because children of the flesh are like Ishmael and they are clearly carded to be cast out and not inherit God's kingdom of heaven together with children of God who are like Isaac.

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

. . . are you under the law and your off-spring, children of the flesh?
. . . it is no joking matter. Division is very soon.

 

[SimpleMan77]

Authentic models the book of Acts, from start to finish. Inauthentic finds every excuse to say God has changed. Pretty simple actually


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[Gurucam]

Historical facts are not opinions. And. Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Romans 3:23King James Version (KJV)
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans: 4 King James Version (KJV)
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Under the law every one sin and do not go to heaven. Is that not a serious curse?

You are right in pointing out that the ten commandments is a curse. It is the law of sin and death. It killeth and eventually delivers one into hell, inside the depths of the earth, with satan.

 

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Hebrews: 9 7King James Version (KJV)
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Judgment will be according to:

Galatians: 6 King James Version (KJV)
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Are you sowething to the ten commandments or to spirit/love?

Galatians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace

Are you mocking God and sowething to the ten commandment, death and hell, while falsely projecting that you are sowething to spirit/love and that you are Christian? You cannot fool God.

There are two covenants. One is for carnal/O.T. people. This is the ten commandments.

The other is without the ten commandments. This is through the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth, as discerned through one's own heart/spirit. This is for N.T./Christian people.

According to which do you soweth. Are you sowething according to the ten commandments and pretending to be Christian? A billion traditional/main stream Christians are doing this folly. They are far from and not at all among, the chosen few, who are authentic Christians.

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

Matthew: 21 KJV N.T.
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits (onto God, not fruits onto death), thereof.

Nothing is wrong if you choose to esteem, use, invoke and promote the ten commandments. However it it a grave sin to do that and claim and project that you are serving spirit/love and that you are Christian.

Also in such a case you are actually committed to the ten commandments/Moses and not to Jesus and His New covenant. And under the ten commandments, all falls short, 'die' spiritually and are delivered into hell inside the earth, with Satan.

None such people rise, after death, in three days like authentic Christians and Jesus Christ to be with Jesus, in the mansion in God's house, in heaven, which He has prepared for the chosen few who follow Him. All such people remain in hell inside the earth, with Satan.

It is entirely your choice to walk into hell, with physical eyes and ears wide open but spiritual eyes and ears shut tight.

 

[Gurucam]

Only foolish and misled people believe that divorce/separation is not Christian.

Only foolish and misled people believe that divorce/separation is not Christian.

CherubRam,

Divorce/separation is a corner stone of Christianity. Divorce/separation are to be actively practiced, so as to be always in a passionate spirit/love union.

Christianity is about transgress common convention (like the thou shall not covet' commandments) so as to perpetually serve spirit/love, unconditionally. This is how one brings forth only fruits onto God/children of God (and no fruits onto death/children of the flesh).

The idea of never being divorce/separated is an Old/Mosaic thing that is totally 'done away with' for Christians.

You are well advise to heed the following instruction before to late is your cry.

With urgency, Christians are advised to walk away from their spouses when their spouses are like you, who esteem, use, invoke and promote the ten commandment. They are advised in the Holy KJV N.T. to walk away from their marriage with the likes of you, transgress the 'thou shall not covet' commandment and get new marital/sexual/procreating partners according to urging of their spirit/heart.

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

1 Corinthians: 7 KJV N.T.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

Notice that children can be unclean. The children of unbelievers are uncleaned. Only believers have clean children. An unbeliever can have clesn children only if he/she procreates with a believer who loves him or her.

An unbelieving spouse is one who does not believe in Jesus and does not believe that, by believing in Jesus, he/she is justified to transgress the ten commandments (in particular the thou shall not covet' commandment) so as to serve spirit/love, unconditionally. An unbelieving spouse is one who, choose instead to esteem, use, invoke and promote the ten commandments, (on his/her spouse) . . . like you.

In such a case the believing spouse is advise to let the unbelieving spouse leave the union/marriage. Divorce and separation is recommended by the Holy KJV N.T.

When spirit/love wanes in a Christian marriage, it is a sin to uphold and have sex and procreate in such a union. It is time to dissolve such a marriage/union . . . and move on to a new union that is anchored on renewed spirit/love.

This is what made President elect Trump a Christian and very worthy to be a leader of a Christian country.

President elect Trump never stayed in a spiritless/loveless union. When spirit/love waned in his marital unions he dissolved them, according to Christianity and the laws of the U.S.A. and formed new unions based on his new spirit/love. This is totally in line with Christianity and the laws of the U.S.A..

In this way all President elect Trump's children are children of God. And he was worthy of Clinton's compliment, about his children.

The above is how to follow Jesus and be a Christian.

The other way (of esteeming using, invoking and promoting the ten commandments) is to be 'the dead who are burying each other with failed laws which killeth and deliver each other to hell.

Matthew: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

Matthew: 21 KJV N.T.
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits (onto God, not fruits onto death), thereof.

 

[Gurucam]

Christians must divorce their spouses who choose to use/invoke the ten commandments.

Christians must divorce their spouses who choose to use/invoke the ten commandments.

1 Corinthians: 7 KJV N.T.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

Notice that children can be unclean. All children or not pure. The children of unbelievers are uncleaned. Only believers have clean children. An unbeliever can have clean children only if he/she procreates with a believer who loves him or her.

An unbelieving spouse is one who does not believe in Jesus and does not believe that, by believing in Jesus, he/she is justified to transgress the ten commandments (in particular the thou shall not covet' commandment) so as to serve spirit/love, unconditionally. An unbelieving spouse is one who, choose instead to esteem, use, invoke and promote the ten commandments, (on his/her spouse) . . . like CherubRam.

Have no doubt, CherubRam is an unbeliever. He is not a Christian. He is simply pretending to be Christian.

If an unbelieving spouse (like CherubRam) wants to leave a marriage, the believing/Christian spouse is advise to let the unbelieving spouse (like CherubRam) leave the union/marriage . . . good riddance. In this case, divorce and separation is not only recommended but instructed by the Holy KJV N.T.

The above is also confirmed in:

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

The above revelation from the Holy KJV N.T. is even more pointed. It instructs newly spiritually aware people to leave/divorce their old (O.T. covenant) spouses and leave their old (O.T. covenant) marriages. And transgress the thou shall not covet commandments so as to get new spouses according to urging of their spirit/love (i.e. according to the N.T. covenant).

Note with certainty that those who esteem, use, invoke and promote the 'thou shall not covet' commandment bring forth only fruits onto death/children of the flesh. These people are called unbelievers. They do not believe in Jesus. They remained under the O/T./Mosaic/ten commandment covenant (like the Jews).

On the other hand those who transgress the 'thou shall not covet' commandment, so as to serve spirit/love, unconditionally, stop bringing forth fruits onto death/children of the flesh and bring forth only fruits onto God/children of God. These people are called believers. They believe in Jesus. They dropped the Old covenant and embrace the N.T./Christian/Jesus covenant.

The Holy KJV N.T. confirms that 'heaven/hell separation' has always been between O.T. and N.T. people, as follows:
1.) people who esteem, use, invoke and promote the O.T./Mosaic/flesh based/ten commandments, bring forth only fruits onto death/children of the flesh and go to hell.
2.) people who have totally dropped and transgress the O.T./Mosaic/flesh based/ten commandments so as to serve spirit/love, unconditionally, bring forth only fruits onto death/children of God and go to heaven.

Matthew: 21 KJV N.T.
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

"fruits thereof' are fruits onto God/children of God, like Isaac. These are not fruits onto death/children of the flesh, like Ishmael:

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh (Ishmael); but he of the freewoman (Isaac) was by promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Ishmael, his generations and all others who continue to esteem, use, invoke and promote the ten commandments are constantly cast out of God's kingdom of heaven and into hell.

Only Isaac, his generations and all others who transgress the ten commandments so as to serve spirit/love unconditionally inherit God's kingdom of heaven.

Luke: 13 KJV N.T.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

CherubRam and all others who esteem, use, invoke and promote the ten commandments are very doomed. Beware of people like them who seek to return you (aspiring Christians) to bondage under the ten commandments. CherubRam and the likes are very dangerous people. They are unawares, false spying brethren:

Galatians: 2 KJV N.T.
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

. . . and so be it.

 

[Gurucam]

Beware of CherubRam

Beware of CherubRam

CherubRam and all others who esteem, use, invoke and promote the ten commandments are very doomed. Beware of people like them who seek to return you (aspiring Christians) to bondage under the ten commandments. CherubRam and the likes are very dangerous people. They are recruiting people/followers for Satan, while falsely presenting themselves to be Christians. They are among the unawares, false spying brethren mentioned in:

Galatians: 2 KJV N.T.
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

Galatians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

The above is also confirmed in:

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

. . . fact is when you do not transgress the 'thou shall not covet commandment' so as to serve spirit/love, unconditionally, you bring forth only fruits onto death/children of flesh who are eventually delivered to hell inside the depths of earth, with Satan.

They do not rise to heaven, in three days, after death, like Christians to join Jesus in the mansion in God's house, in heaven, which He has prepared for those who have dropped the Old system and follow His New system.