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Why have you not followed your own words, gt?



Yes. When He decided to save such a one as me.



No. They are ALL under the BLOOD of the Lamb. And if I start remembering them I am sinning for anything that is not of faith is sinning.



They're all gone. He took them all away. All by His own choosing. He said He placed them in the sea of forgetfulness. Even God does not remember any more. Can you imagine such love?



When the Lord saved me.



Only with the help of the Holy Spirit.



No. I prove my repentance by BELIEVING the ONE WHO IS PERFECT and being that I am in Him He makes me right.



No. He did that ALL ON HIS OWN for Salvation is TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY of God, someday He will make me understand why did He save such a one as me.

You have obey to get saved.
 

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Yet all of the believers in Israel sold all they had. Why, if not to obey Jesus?

All the believers in Israel sold what they had and gave it to the poor? Prove it with scripture.

Actually, I don't, it's just that to you that's what it seems like.

Oh so don't go against me for preaching obedience to Christ?

Tell me then, what do we have to obey that Jesus taught while he walked the earth?
 

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All the believers in Israel sold what they had and gave it to the poor? Prove it with scripture.

The fact that they sold all they had shows they had more faith than you have ever had.

And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation.”Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers.Then fear came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were done through the apostles.Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common,and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need.So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart,praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved. - Acts 2:40-47 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts2:40-47&version=NKJV

Oh so don't go against me for preaching obedience to Christ?

Tell me then, what do we have to obey that Jesus taught while he walked the earth?

Love God and love your neighbor.
 

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The fact that they sold all they had shows they had more faith than you have ever had.

And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation.”Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers.Then fear came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were done through the apostles.Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common,and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need.So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart,praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved. - Acts 2:40-47 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts2:40-47&version=NKJV

That scripture doesn't say it was a condition to enter salvation. That scripture doesn't say every single believer sold all they had, not only that, it doesn't say they gave everything to the poor, it says they shared it among themselves.

You have no understanding because you don't obey Jesus. If you do obey things Jesus taught when he walked the earth, what do you say we have to obey?

Love God and love your neighbor.

You have no idea what that means.
 

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gt, ALWAYS TWIST the Scripture to fit her false doctrine. It does not matter that you provide a verse(s) to prove what you're saying, she immediately say, 'no, that's not what that Scripture says.' She just did it to JudgeRightly.
 

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Then you have ADDED to the already finished/completed work of the Cross of Calvary declaring that Jesus Christ and what He there did was not sufficient. How shameful to reject a finished/completed vicarious perfect work to be saved.

God did not nail to the cross all his words telling us what Jesus said to do.

Jesus saves us all on his own and he chooses whom he saves, he saves those who obey.

Do you think James taught against what Paul preached?
 

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God did not nail to the cross all his words telling us what Jesus said to do.

Which you don't even follow filling your mouth saying you do and then confess you do not.

Jesus saves us all on his own and he chooses whom he saves,

Correct.

he saves those who obey.

He saves those who BELIEVE Him.

How much OBEDIENCE did the the thief on the cross presented to Jesus so Jesus would save him? Nothing. Zilch. Nada. Jesus chose to save the thief on the cross because the thief BELIEVED Jesus to be who He said He was.

Do you think James taught against what Paul preached?

James did NOT preach against Paul; that is your FALSE DOCTRINE speaking.

And please don't bother to repeat your out of CONTEXT verses cause you ain't going to get what you want.
 
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Which you don't even follow filling your mouth saying you do and then confess you do not.



Correct.



He saves those who BELIEVE Him.

How much OBEDIENCE did the the thief on the cross presented to Jesus so Jesus would save him? Nothing. Zilch. Nada. Jesus chose to save the thief on the cross because the thief BELIEVED Jesus to be who He said He was.



James did NOT preach against Paul; that is your FALSE DOCTRINE speaking.

And please don't bother to repeat your out of CONTEXT verses cause you ain't going to get what you want.

The thief obeyed.
James says faith alone is dead.
Dead faith is not saving faith it s dead.
 

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That scripture doesn't say it was a condition to enter salvation.

I didn't say it was.

That scripture doesn't say every single believer sold all they had, not only that, it doesn't say they gave everything to the poor, it says they shared it among themselves.

And because of their selling everything they had, and sharing the profits with each other, and living in communes, they all became poor, to the point where many were starving. (It's the main reason Communism doesn't work.)

It got so bad for them (because Christ did not return as He said He would, because of Israel's rejection of Him) that Paul and the Christians elsewhere took up a collection to send to them.

Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so you must do also:On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come.And when I come, whomever you approve by your letters I will send to bear your gift to Jerusalem.But if it is fitting that I go also, they will go with me. - 1 Corinthians 16:1-4 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians16:1-4&version=NKJV

Moreover, brethren, we make known to you the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia:that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded in the riches of their liberality.For I bear witness that according to their ability, yes, and beyond their ability, they were freely willing,imploring us with much urgency that we would receive the gift and the fellowship of the ministering to the saints.And not only as we had hoped, but they first gave themselves to the Lord, and then to us by the will of God. - 2 Corinthians 8:1-5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Corinthians8:1-5&version=NKJV

But now I am going to Jerusalem to minister to the saints.For it pleased those from Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor among the saints who are in Jerusalem.It pleased them indeed, and they are their debtors. For if the Gentiles have been partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister to them in material things. - Romans 15:25-27 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans15:25-27&version=NKJV

You have no understanding because you don't obey Jesus.

Says the one who rejects simple scripture.

GT, why did the believers in Jerusalem sell all they had and divide the proceeds among themselves, and live together?

(Hint: I gave you the answer in this post)

If you do obey things Jesus taught when he walked the earth, what do you say we have to obey?

Again, "Love God and love your neighbor."

You have no idea what that means.

You are sadly mistaken. Paul tells us what it means.

1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up;
5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;
6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
- 1 Corinthians 13:1-13 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians13:1-13&version=NKJV

Did you catch that?

4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up;
5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;
6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;

When you obey a law, what does it do?

Let's say your church institutes a rule that members of the church may not smoke, and that those who do must quit or be kicked out. (Note: this example is not meant to advocate such a rule in churches, but only to demonstrate a point.)

How do you think that the ones who don't smoke feel about that rule? Do you think they might be puffed up (no pun intended, I promise)? Could they say, "Good thing I don't smoke," and boast about it? Could they lord it over those who do smoke?

Is that love? or is that obedience to a law?

Do you remember how I said that another name for the law is "the knowledge of good and evil"? (sidenote: The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, the only law God gave in the Garden of Eden was don't partake of the law, or the tree)

Considering that, What does Paul say about such laws, and the obedience of which?

Now concerning things offered to idols: We know that we all have knowledge [ie, of of good and evil]. Knowledge (of good and evil, aka the law) puffs up, but love edifies. - 1 Corinthians 8:1 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians8:1&version=NKJV

The law puffs up, but love edifies.

If you love your neighbor, you don't have to have a law that says, "don't smoke." If you love your neighbor (as yourself), and God, you won't smoke out of love for them, and you won't damage your body out of respect for your Creator.

But that law, where you must stop smoking or be kicked out of the church, only puffs up those who obey that law.

Love, on the other hand, does not boast (ie, parade itself) as if obeying a law, it doesn't bring about a debt owed, like obedience to a law does (Romans 4:4).


Other verses to note:
For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. - Romans 8:3-4 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans8:3-4&version=NKJV

 

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The thief obeyed.
James says faith alone is dead.
Dead faith is not saving faith it s dead.
James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad: Greetings. - James 1:1 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James1:1&version=NKJV

Everything written in the book of James was written to the twelve tribes of Israel which were scattered abroad, also known as the "diaspora."

Therefore, unless you are of the "diaspora," that verse (You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. - James 2:24 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James2:24&version=NKJV) is not for you.

This one is:

But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, - Romans 4:5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans4:5&version=NKJV

And this one:

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,not of works, lest anyone should boast. - Ephesians 2:8-9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians2:8-9&version=NKJV

Not James 2:24, but Romans 4:5 and Ephesians 2:8-9.
 

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John 1: 5. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
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6. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 12. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 17. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. 23. He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. 29. The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. 30. This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. 31. And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. 32. And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33. And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34. And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God. 41. He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ. 45. Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph. 49. Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. 51. And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

John 2: 5. His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it. 10. And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now. 16. And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise. 17. And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up. 19. Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 21. But he spake of the temple of his body. 22. When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said. 24. But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men, 25. And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.


(Would you like that I continue? I'm not too sure it was John the baptiser that actually wrote "John" in the Bible though, not that it takes away from it's validity at all or anything. Just a statement.
More for Arians/Unitarians, but it is good for them to hear what scripture is actually saying from others, not just Trinitarians. Scripture is so important and it is so important that we listen to what it says, rather than trying to mold it.

John 1:1 necessarily is about God and the Word and introduces us to two facts: That the Word is a being with God, and is God and in the next sentence, that He is going to become flesh. Like the other gospels, this is about good news for fallen man.
 

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I didn't say it was.



And because of their selling everything they had, and sharing the profits with each other, and living in communes, they all became poor, to the point where many were starving. (It's the main reason Communism doesn't work.)

It got so bad for them (because Christ did not return as He said He would, because of Israel's rejection of Him) that Paul and the Christians elsewhere took up a collection to send to them.

Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so you must do also:On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come.And when I come, whomever you approve by your letters I will send to bear your gift to Jerusalem.But if it is fitting that I go also, they will go with me. - 1 Corinthians 16:1-4 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians16:1-4&version=NKJV

Moreover, brethren, we make known to you the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia:that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded in the riches of their liberality.For I bear witness that according to their ability, yes, and beyond their ability, they were freely willing,imploring us with much urgency that we would receive the gift and the fellowship of the ministering to the saints.And not only as we had hoped, but they first gave themselves to the Lord, and then to us by the will of God. - 2 Corinthians 8:1-5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Corinthians8:1-5&version=NKJV

But now I am going to Jerusalem to minister to the saints.For it pleased those from Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor among the saints who are in Jerusalem.It pleased them indeed, and they are their debtors. For if the Gentiles have been partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister to them in material things. - Romans 15:25-27 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans15:25-27&version=NKJV



Says the one who rejects simple scripture.

GT, why did the believers in Jerusalem sell all they had and divide the proceeds among themselves, and live together?

(Hint: I gave you the answer in this post)



Again, "Love God and love your neighbor."



You are sadly mistaken. Paul tells us what it means.

1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up;
5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;
6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
- 1 Corinthians 13:1-13 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians13:1-13&version=NKJV

Did you catch that?

4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up;
5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;
6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;

When you obey a law, what does it do?

Let's say your church institutes a rule that members of the church may not smoke, and that those who do must quit or be kicked out. (Note: this example is not meant to advocate such a rule in churches, but only to demonstrate a point.)

How do you think that the ones who don't smoke feel about that rule? Do you think they might be puffed up (no pun intended, I promise)? Could they say, "Good thing I don't smoke," and boast about it? Could they lord it over those who do smoke?

Is that love? or is that obedience to a law?

Do you remember how I said that another name for the law is "the knowledge of good and evil"? (sidenote: The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, the only law God gave in the Garden of Eden was don't partake of the law, or the tree)

Considering that, What does Paul say about such laws, and the obedience of which?

Now concerning things offered to idols: We know that we all have knowledge [ie, of of good and evil]. Knowledge (of good and evil, aka the law) puffs up, but love edifies. - 1 Corinthians 8:1 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians8:1&version=NKJV

The law puffs up, but love edifies.

If you love your neighbor, you don't have to have a law that says, "don't smoke." If you love your neighbor (as yourself), and God, you won't smoke out of love for them, and you won't damage your body out of respect for your Creator.

But that law, where you must stop smoking or be kicked out of the church, only puffs up those who obey that law.

Love, on the other hand, does not boast (ie, parade itself) as if obeying a law, it doesn't bring about a debt owed, like obedience to a law does (Romans 4:4).


Other verses to note:
For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. - Romans 8:3-4 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans8:3-4&version=NKJV


You have been doing too much studying with false teachers.

You have so many false beliefs that you would probably have to repent of everything you think you know.
 

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James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad: Greetings. - James 1:1 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James1:1&version=NKJV

Everything written in the book of James was written to the twelve tribes of Israel which were scattered abroad, also known as the "diaspora."

Therefore, unless you are of the "diaspora," that verse (You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. - James 2:24 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James2:24&version=NKJV) is not for you.

This one is:

But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, - Romans 4:5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans4:5&version=NKJV

And this one:

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,not of works, lest anyone should boast. - Ephesians 2:8-9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians2:8-9&version=NKJV

Not James 2:24, but Romans 4:5 and Ephesians 2:8-9.

No, James the apostle to the Lamb was not putting down the gospel given from Jesus to Paul.

What disgusting nonsense.
 

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You have been doing too much studying with false teachers.

You have so many false beliefs that you would probably have to repent of everything you think you know.

So instead of refuting my points, you just say: "You, JudgeRightly, are wrong because you, JudgeRightly, disagree with me, GT."

Refute my points (if you can), you heretic. Everything I say comes from scripture.

By the way, how do you know that my teachers are the ones that are false? How come you never doubt your teachers?

I, JudgeRightly, hereby call into question the trustworthiness of GT's teachers (ie, the ones who taught GT what she believes).
 

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No, James the apostle to the Lamb was not putting down the gospel given from Jesus to Paul.

What disgusting nonsense.

Um, what?

How did you get that from my post?

I'm talking about James writing only to those who are part of the diaspora. If you're not part of the diaspora, then James's message is not for you.
 

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The thief obeyed.

Show from the Bible in the conversation the thief had with Jesus where Jesus said 'you have to obey so that I can save you.'

James says faith alone is dead.

You have no idea to whom James was written to or what kind of faith James is talking about.

Dead faith is not saving faith it s dead.

Dead faith is the faith that says they being an UNbeliever you have to OBEY for God to save them.
 

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I didn't say it was.



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And because of their selling everything they had, and sharing the profits with each other, and living in communes, they all became poor, to the point where many were starving. (It's the main reason Communism doesn't work.)

It got so bad for them (because Christ did not return as He said He would, because of Israel's rejection of Him) that Paul and the Christians elsewhere took up a collection to send to them.

Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so you must do also:On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come.And when I come, whomever you approve by your letters I will send to bear your gift to Jerusalem.But if it is fitting that I go also, they will go with me. - 1 Corinthians 16:1-4 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians16:1-4&version=NKJV

Moreover, brethren, we make known to you the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia:that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded in the riches of their liberality.For I bear witness that according to their ability, yes, and beyond their ability, they were freely willing,imploring us with much urgency that we would receive the gift and the fellowship of the ministering to the saints.And not only as we had hoped, but they first gave themselves to the Lord, and then to us by the will of God. - 2 Corinthians 8:1-5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Corinthians8:1-5&version=NKJV

But now I am going to Jerusalem to minister to the saints.For it pleased those from Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor among the saints who are in Jerusalem.It pleased them indeed, and they are their debtors. For if the Gentiles have been partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister to them in material things. - Romans 15:25-27 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans15:25-27&version=NKJV



Says the one who rejects simple scripture.

GT, why did the believers in Jerusalem sell all they had and divide the proceeds among themselves, and live together?

(Hint: I gave you the answer in this post)



Again, "Love God and love your neighbor."



You are sadly mistaken. Paul tells us what it means.

1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up;
5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;
6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
- 1 Corinthians 13:1-13 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians13:1-13&version=NKJV

Did you catch that?

4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up;
5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;
6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;

When you obey a law, what does it do?

Let's say your church institutes a rule that members of the church may not smoke, and that those who do must quit or be kicked out. (Note: this example is not meant to advocate such a rule in churches, but only to demonstrate a point.)

How do you think that the ones who don't smoke feel about that rule? Do you think they might be puffed up (no pun intended, I promise)? Could they say, "Good thing I don't smoke," and boast about it? Could they lord it over those who do smoke?

Is that love? or is that obedience to a law?

Do you remember how I said that another name for the law is "the knowledge of good and evil"? (sidenote: The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, the only law God gave in the Garden of Eden was don't partake of the law, or the tree)

Considering that, What does Paul say about such laws, and the obedience of which?

Now concerning things offered to idols: We know that we all have knowledge [ie, of of good and evil]. Knowledge (of good and evil, aka the law) puffs up, but love edifies. - 1 Corinthians 8:1 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians8:1&version=NKJV

The law puffs up, but love edifies.

If you love your neighbor, you don't have to have a law that says, "don't smoke." If you love your neighbor (as yourself), and God, you won't smoke out of love for them, and you won't damage your body out of respect for your Creator.

But that law, where you must stop smoking or be kicked out of the church, only puffs up those who obey that law.

Love, on the other hand, does not boast (ie, parade itself) as if obeying a law, it doesn't bring about a debt owed, like obedience to a law does (Romans 4:4).


Other verses to note:
For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. - Romans 8:3-4 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans8:3-4&version=NKJV

Spoiler


gt rejects every single verse in the Bible that does not agree with her false doctrine.
 

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So instead of refuting my points, you just say: "You, JudgeRightly, are wrong because you, JudgeRightly, disagree with me, GT."

That is gt's modus operandi.

Refute my points (if you can), you heretic. Everything I say comes from scripture.

She can't refute your points exactly when she said she won the debate with AMR.
gt simply say 'what I, gt, say, that's God's Truth'.

By the way, how do you know that my teachers are the ones that are false? How come you never doubt your teachers?

Well, because she has never learned from any man/woman but she received this revelation from the risen Lord Himself like keypurr? :chuckle: :idunno:

I, JudgeRightly, hereby call into question the trustworthiness of GT's teachers (ie, the ones who taught GT what she believes).

She ain't got none. She is the only one that has God's Truth. How could you not know that JudgeRightly. :chuckle:
 
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