The Late Great Urantia Revelation

[JudgeRightly]

Floods happen all the time today.

And? So what?

The difference is that the entire surface of the earth was destroyed in the Noachian Flood.

2000 years ago the recent Tsunami in Japan would have been credited to a deity being unhappy. Today we know what causes tsunamis.

And? Your point is?

Moses was a reformer,

Meaning?

when he dropped and broke the first tablets

He didn't just drop them, he threw them onto the ground and broke them.

he was making a break from what they previously practiced in Egypt.

More fairy tale.

The reason Moses broke the tablets was that he was angry with the people of Israel for making a calf of gold while he was up on the mountain talking to God.

That's why there are (2) sets of 10 commandment and (2) reasons given for Sabbath keeping.

More nonsense.

These commandments as twice recorded in the Scriptures, in the first case deliverance from Egypt is assigned as the reason for Sabbath keeping, while in a later record the advancing religious beliefs of the Israelites demanded that this be changed to the recognition of the fact of creation as the reason for Sabbath observance.

More nonsense.

The Hebrew of Babylon wasn't in existence during Moses's time.

And? So what?

Moses live 1000 years prior to the Babylonian captivity when the OT books were finalized.

So what?

Moses is the one who wrote the first five book of the Bible, and Job.

When the same stories are retold in the OT some things change because they were written by humans not God.

Care to list any examples?

The belief that God wrote the scripture books came later after the Babylonian captivity.

Because you say so?

Having first been introduced to OT stories in Christianity as a child, when I first head the UB truths spoken, it was as if I already knew them. The spirit of the Father in me bore witness to the Urantia revelation just like he bore witness to the identity of The Son of God to most of the Apostles.

Yeah, right.

You've been convinced that God wrote the Old Testament through whomever, its perfect and therefore your doubts are the problem. Every religion does that with their scripture.

False.

Yet another straw man against my position.

I believe that the Bible was perfect in its original manuscripts, which have since been lost to time.

Since then, there have been errors introduced (unintentionally), and such errors, while corruptions of the original text, DO NOT change the overall story of the Bible.

That never happened. The only reason the flood story is accepted by normal people is because its in the Bible. If it were outside the bible it wouldn't be accepted.

You need to study up, instead of taking everything for granted from the UB.

List of flood myths - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So people first believe the Israelites flood story, then desperately try to fit it into the real world.

This is false.

The world looks nothing like the Israelites creation or flood story's.

That's because you've covered your eyes.

I do realize that you believe it, but that doesn't make it so.

How ironic...

 

[JudgeRightly]

Yes, the flood story is in the Israelites genealogical line back to Adam. I believe they were unable to do it so thy decided to drown the whole world in its own wickedness.

Again:

List of flood myths - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Caino]

Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us.

Thomas Jefferson

 

[Caino]

Again:

List of flood myths - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They would have all been drowned by the Israelites flood.

 

[Right Divider]

Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us.

You open yourself to ridicule because your position is ridiculous.

 

[Caino]

And? So what?

The difference is that the entire surface of the earth was destroyed in the Noachian Flood.



And? Your point is?



Meaning?



He didn't just drop them, he threw them onto the ground and broke them.



More fairy tale.

The reason Moses broke the tablets was that he was angry with the people of Israel for making a calf of gold while he was up on the mountain talking to God.



More nonsense.



More nonsense.



And? So what?



So what?

Moses is the one who wrote the first five book of the Bible, and Job.



Care to list any examples?



Because you say so?



Yeah, right.



False.

Yet another straw man against my position.

I believe that the Bible was perfect in its original manuscripts, which have since been lost to time.

Since then, there have been errors introduced (unintentionally), and such errors, while corruptions of the original text, DO NOT change the overall story of the Bible.



You need to study up, instead of taking everything for granted from the UB.

List of flood myths - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is false.



That's because you've covered your eyes.



How ironic...

I believe that the scriptures are no more perfect then the men who wrote them. If the "original manuscripts" could change then so could the authors be imperfect.

 

[Caino]

You open yourself to ridicule because your position is ridiculous.

So is yours.

 

[Right Divider]

I believe that the scriptures are no more perfect then the men who wrote them.

So inspiration by God does not mean anything to you? That figures.

If the "original manuscripts" could change then so could the authors be imperfect.

The "original manuscripts" did not change. What a maroon!

 

[Caino]

That genealogy does not belong exclusively to the Israelites.

You are nuts.

Well, that's what their story does, it kills everyone and fills the huge Gap in their genealogy.

 

[Right Divider]

Well, that's what their story does, it kills everyone and fills the huge Gap in their genealogy.

The "story" of the global flood is true. That's why GOD put it in the Bible.
It is an example of the future judgement of the entire world.
You are a cultist wacko. There is no other way to put it.

 

[JudgeRightly]

I believe that the scriptures are no more perfect then the men who wrote them.

Currently, they are not perfect.

Which is why I made the clarification of "original manuscripts."

If the "original manuscripts" could change

If they changed, they wouldn't be original, now would they?

then so could the authors be imperfect.

How is that a counter to my points?

 

[JudgeRightly]

They would have all been drowned by the Israelites flood.

All of those cultures arrived AFTER the flood. They couldn't have been drowned in a flood if they didn't even exist when it occurred.

 

[Omniskeptical]

He's quoting what I would call a Hindu Book of Mormon.

 

[Caino]

Currently, they are not perfect.

Which is why I made the clarification of "original manuscripts."



If they changed, they wouldn't be original, now would they?



How is that a counter to my points?

We don't have the original manuscripts, but what we have are changing stories within what's left. And it doesn't bother my faith in the Father that the scripture books aren't perfect. I think they are as imperfect as we should expect them to be.

 

[Caino]

All of those cultures arrived AFTER the flood. They couldn't have been drowned in a flood if they didn't even exist when it occurred.

Not true, the ancient cultures all around the world are far older than the Israelites creation story.

 

[Omniskeptical]

Not true, the ancient cultures all around the world are far older than the Israelites creation story.

Your book has not historical accuracy. It wasn't till the Iron Age which was post-Christ that stone buildings were common. India didn't exist until about 150 AD.

 

[Caino]

Australian Aboriginal culture is 75,000 years old on its own.

Your book has not historical accuracy. It wasn't till the Iron Age which was post-Christ that stone buildings were common. India didn't exist until about 150 AD.

12,000 B.C.

Gobekli Tepe​

 

[Right Divider]

Australian Aboriginal culture is 75,000 years old on its own.

Older than the earth.... so cool!

 

[Caino]

Older than the earth.... so cool!

Deuteronomy 33:15


15with the best of the ancient mountains

and the bounty of the everlasting hills......

The Hebrew editors missed quite a lot.

 

[Right Divider]

Deuteronomy 33:15


15with the best of the ancient mountains

and the bounty of the everlasting hills......

The Hebrew editors missed quite a lot.

Not sure what you think that you've shown, but you've not shown anything.

It's also funny how you quote a "corrupted book".