Moses really did exist, about 1,000 years before the writing of the OT books in Babylon.
http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-96-yahweh-god-hebrews#U96_3_0
The Late Great Urantia Revelation
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Moses really did exist, about 1,000 years before the writing of the OT books in Babylon.
http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-96-yahweh-god-hebrews#U96_3_0
The account of young earth creationism in Genesis is proof that the authors believed it. The rest of the OT is also proof that in that age the authors saw the hand of God in everything that happened in their history.
Today on this very thread there is proof that people believe what the authors of Genesis believed.
I believed Lance Armstrong won 7 consecutive Tour de France races without doping. I no longer believe that he won without doping and yes, I was disappointed and disillusioned.
As with so many legends there is often a grain of truth within them, in the case of Adam and Eve many of the facts associated with their materialization were eventually blended with a world creation story.
Adam and Eve arrived on earth as full grown adults, educated far beyond mans crude understanding of science and the universe. They spoke the same universe language as the fallen "crafty beast" as well as the languages spoken on our evolved earth.
ADAM AND EVE arrived on Urantia, from the year A.D. 1934, 37,848 years ago. It was in midseason when the Garden was in the height of bloom that they arrived. At high noon and unannounced, the two seraphic transports, accompanied by the Jerusem personnel intrusted with the transportation of the biologic uplifters to Urantia, settled slowly to the surface of the revolving planet in the vicinity of the temple of the Universal Father. All the work of rematerializing the bodies of Adam and Eve was carried on within the precincts of this newly created shrine. And from the time of their arrival ten days passed before they were re-created in dual human form for presentation as the world’s new rulers. They regained consciousness simultaneously. The Material Sons and Daughters always serve together. It is the essence of their service at all times and in all places never to be separated. They are designed to work in pairs; seldom do they function alone.
"And now, after their formal installation, Adam and Eve became painfully aware of their planetary isolation. Silent were the familiar broadcasts, and absent were all the circuits of extraplanetary communication. Their Jerusem fellows had gone to worlds running along smoothly with a well-established Planetary Prince and an experienced staff ready to receive them and competent to co-operate with them during their early experience on such worlds. But on Urantia rebellion had changed everything. Here the Planetary Prince was very much present, and though shorn of most of his power to work evil, he was still able to make the task of Adam and Eve difficult and to some extent hazardous. It was a serious and disillusioned Son and Daughter of Jerusem who walked that night through the Garden under the shining of the full moon, discussing plans for the next day.
Thus ended the first day of Adam and Eve on isolated Urantia, the confused planet of the Caligastia betrayal; and they walked and talked far into the night, their first night on earth — and it was so lonely.
Adam’s second day on earth was spent in session with the planetary receivers and the advisory council. From the Melchizedeks, and their associates, Adam and Eve learned more about the details of the Caligastia rebellion and the result of that upheaval upon the world’s progress. And it was, on the whole, a disheartening story, this long recital of the mismanagement of world affairs. They learned all the facts regarding the utter collapse of the Caligastia scheme for accelerating the process of social evolution. They also arrived at a full realization of the folly of attempting to achieve planetary advancement independently of the divine plan of progression. And thus ended a sad but enlightening day — their second on Urantia.
The third day was devoted to an inspection of the Garden. From the large passenger birds — the fandors — Adam and Eve looked down upon the vast stretches of the Garden while being carried through the air over this, the most beautiful spot on earth. This day of inspection ended with an enormous banquet in honor of all who had labored to create this garden of Edenic beauty and grandeur. And again, late into the night of their third day, the Son and his mate walked in the Garden and talked about the immensity of their problems.
On the fourth day Adam and Eve addressed the Garden assembly. From the inaugural mount they spoke to the people concerning their plans for the rehabilitation of the world and outlined the methods whereby they would seek to redeem the social culture of Urantia from the low levels to which it had fallen as a result of sin and rebellion. This was a great day, and it closed with a feast for the council of men and women who had been selected to assume responsibilities in the new administration of world affairs. Take note! women as well as men were in this group, and that was the first time such a thing had occurred on earth since the days of Dalamatia. It was an astounding innovation to behold Eve, a woman, sharing the honors and responsibilities of world affairs with a man. And thus ended the fourth day on earth.
The fifth day was occupied with the organization of the temporary government, the administration which was to function until the Melchizedek receivers should leave Urantia.
The sixth day was devoted to an inspection of the numerous types of men and animals. Along the walls eastward in Eden, Adam and Eve were escorted all day, viewing the animal life of the planet and arriving at a better understanding as to what must be done to bring order out of the confusion of a world inhabited by such a variety of living creatures.
It greatly surprised those who accompanied Adam on this trip to observe how fully he understood the nature and function of the thousands upon thousands of animals shown him. The instant he glanced at an animal, he would indicate its nature and behavior. Adam could give names descriptive of the origin, nature, and function of all material creatures on sight. Those who conducted him on this tour of inspection did not know that the world’s new ruler was one of the most expert anatomists of all Satania; and Eve was equally proficient. Adam amazed his associates by describing hosts of living things too small to be seen by human eyes.
When the sixth day of their sojourn on earth was over, Adam and Eve rested for the first time in their new home in “the east of Eden.” The first six days of the Urantia adventure had been very busy, and they looked forward with great pleasure to an entire day of freedom from all activities.
But circumstances dictated otherwise. The experience of the day just past in which Adam had so intelligently and so exhaustively discussed the animal life of Urantia, together with his masterly inaugural address and his charming manner, had so won the hearts and overcome the intellects of the Garden dwellers that they were not only wholeheartedly disposed to accept the newly arrived Son and Daughter of Jerusem as rulers, but the majority were about ready to fall down and worship them as gods." UB 1955
Today on this very thread there is proof that people believe what the authors of Genesis believed.
I believed Lance Armstrong won 7 consecutive Tour de France races without doping. I no longer believe that he won without doping and yes, I was disappointed and disillusioned.
As with so many legends there is often a grain of truth within them, in the case of Adam and Eve many of the facts associated with their materialization were eventually blended with a world creation story.
Adam and Eve arrived on earth as full grown adults, educated far beyond mans crude understanding of science and the universe. They spoke the same universe language as the fallen "crafty beast" as well as the languages spoken on our evolved earth.
Adam and Eve
ADAM AND EVE arrived on Urantia, from the year A.D. 1934, 37,848 years ago. It was in midseason when the Garden was in the height of bloom that they arrived. At high noon and unannounced, the two seraphic transports, accompanied by the Jerusem personnel intrusted with the transportation of the biologic uplifters to Urantia, settled slowly to the surface of the revolving planet in the vicinity of the temple of the Universal Father. All the work of rematerializing the bodies of Adam and Eve was carried on within the precincts of this newly created shrine. And from the time of their arrival ten days passed before they were re-created in dual human form for presentation as the world’s new rulers. They regained consciousness simultaneously. The Material Sons and Daughters always serve together. It is the essence of their service at all times and in all places never to be separated. They are designed to work in pairs; seldom do they function alone.
The story of the creation of Urantia in six days was based on the tradition that Adam and Eve had spent just six days in their initial survey of the Garden. This circumstance lent almost sacred sanction to the time period of the week, which had been originally introduced by the Dalamatians. Adam’s spending six days inspecting the Garden and formulating preliminary plans for organization was not prearranged; it was worked out from day to day. The choosing of the seventh day for worship was wholly incidental to the facts herewith narrated.
Adam and Eve Learn About the Planet
"And now, after their formal installation, Adam and Eve became painfully aware of their planetary isolation. Silent were the familiar broadcasts, and absent were all the circuits of extraplanetary communication. Their Jerusem fellows had gone to worlds running along smoothly with a well-established Planetary Prince and an experienced staff ready to receive them and competent to co-operate with them during their early experience on such worlds. But on Urantia rebellion had changed everything. Here the Planetary Prince was very much present, and though shorn of most of his power to work evil, he was still able to make the task of Adam and Eve difficult and to some extent hazardous. It was a serious and disillusioned Son and Daughter of Jerusem who walked that night through the Garden under the shining of the full moon, discussing plans for the next day.
Thus ended the first day of Adam and Eve on isolated Urantia, the confused planet of the Caligastia betrayal; and they walked and talked far into the night, their first night on earth — and it was so lonely.
Adam’s second day on earth was spent in session with the planetary receivers and the advisory council. From the Melchizedeks, and their associates, Adam and Eve learned more about the details of the Caligastia rebellion and the result of that upheaval upon the world’s progress. And it was, on the whole, a disheartening story, this long recital of the mismanagement of world affairs. They learned all the facts regarding the utter collapse of the Caligastia scheme for accelerating the process of social evolution. They also arrived at a full realization of the folly of attempting to achieve planetary advancement independently of the divine plan of progression. And thus ended a sad but enlightening day — their second on Urantia.
The third day was devoted to an inspection of the Garden. From the large passenger birds — the fandors — Adam and Eve looked down upon the vast stretches of the Garden while being carried through the air over this, the most beautiful spot on earth. This day of inspection ended with an enormous banquet in honor of all who had labored to create this garden of Edenic beauty and grandeur. And again, late into the night of their third day, the Son and his mate walked in the Garden and talked about the immensity of their problems.
On the fourth day Adam and Eve addressed the Garden assembly. From the inaugural mount they spoke to the people concerning their plans for the rehabilitation of the world and outlined the methods whereby they would seek to redeem the social culture of Urantia from the low levels to which it had fallen as a result of sin and rebellion. This was a great day, and it closed with a feast for the council of men and women who had been selected to assume responsibilities in the new administration of world affairs. Take note! women as well as men were in this group, and that was the first time such a thing had occurred on earth since the days of Dalamatia. It was an astounding innovation to behold Eve, a woman, sharing the honors and responsibilities of world affairs with a man. And thus ended the fourth day on earth.
The fifth day was occupied with the organization of the temporary government, the administration which was to function until the Melchizedek receivers should leave Urantia.
The sixth day was devoted to an inspection of the numerous types of men and animals. Along the walls eastward in Eden, Adam and Eve were escorted all day, viewing the animal life of the planet and arriving at a better understanding as to what must be done to bring order out of the confusion of a world inhabited by such a variety of living creatures.
It greatly surprised those who accompanied Adam on this trip to observe how fully he understood the nature and function of the thousands upon thousands of animals shown him. The instant he glanced at an animal, he would indicate its nature and behavior. Adam could give names descriptive of the origin, nature, and function of all material creatures on sight. Those who conducted him on this tour of inspection did not know that the world’s new ruler was one of the most expert anatomists of all Satania; and Eve was equally proficient. Adam amazed his associates by describing hosts of living things too small to be seen by human eyes.
When the sixth day of their sojourn on earth was over, Adam and Eve rested for the first time in their new home in “the east of Eden.” The first six days of the Urantia adventure had been very busy, and they looked forward with great pleasure to an entire day of freedom from all activities.
But circumstances dictated otherwise. The experience of the day just past in which Adam had so intelligently and so exhaustively discussed the animal life of Urantia, together with his masterly inaugural address and his charming manner, had so won the hearts and overcome the intellects of the Garden dwellers that they were not only wholeheartedly disposed to accept the newly arrived Son and Daughter of Jerusem as rulers, but the majority were about ready to fall down and worship them as gods." UB 1955
Zeke
Well-known member
I doubt it, from what I have researched it has been part of the mystic traditions passed down through cultures, the names changed but the foundation was the same.
Doesn't matter, it has no relevance in the literal other than another shadow to chase out of the mind, cave, ship, upper room, etc.........
Right Divider
Body part
If you want to believe the trash that "guru" Murdock writes then you have a very poor understanding of history.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Moses as a person.......
Moses as a person.......
D.M. Murdock (Acharya S) is far from a 'guru', and provides ample historical documentation from a variety of disciplines to investigate her subjects, and appears to be improving with her latest works. While its a given she comes from a mythicist/astro-theological/non-theistic world-view, the documentation for correlations in her thesis hold, while any can certainly challenge those parellels or her scholarship if they like. Look at the data as a whole, and draw your own conclusions.
Her lastest book 'Did Moses Exist' is getting rave reviews Here (hear the video interviews on this page). I haven't read this particular book myself. I'm open to see the evidence or lack thereof for any historical figure, and continue research. What if Moses didn't exist as is potrayed in the OT record, but is a mythical figure of sorts, a personality borrowed from earlier prophetic hero types and comingled with another hero-figure, - we can stretch that to researching Jesus on these grounds as we've done on other threads. In the meantime I'm well aware that the UB assumes these figures were/are actual historical personalities in its narrative, and presents them as such.
Yahweh, God of the Hebrews (Paper 96)
However, being open to research all possibilities and relationships concerning religious traditions, culture and philosophy is commendable, since we ought to research all things to discover their meaning and value, whether aspects of the story are mythological, since 'parables' teach in symbolic language and all is related subjectively in the realm of 'religious experience'.
This goes for the story of Jesus and Lucifer since so much lore and legend exists around these personalities. The UB expounds in much depth the 'Lucifer Rebellion', - and the psychological elements involved, the philosophical context.
pj
Moses as a person.......
D.M. Murdock (Acharya S) is far from a 'guru', and provides ample historical documentation from a variety of disciplines to investigate her subjects, and appears to be improving with her latest works. While its a given she comes from a mythicist/astro-theological/non-theistic world-view, the documentation for correlations in her thesis hold, while any can certainly challenge those parellels or her scholarship if they like. Look at the data as a whole, and draw your own conclusions.
Her lastest book 'Did Moses Exist' is getting rave reviews Here (hear the video interviews on this page). I haven't read this particular book myself. I'm open to see the evidence or lack thereof for any historical figure, and continue research. What if Moses didn't exist as is potrayed in the OT record, but is a mythical figure of sorts, a personality borrowed from earlier prophetic hero types and comingled with another hero-figure, - we can stretch that to researching Jesus on these grounds as we've done on other threads. In the meantime I'm well aware that the UB assumes these figures were/are actual historical personalities in its narrative, and presents them as such.
Yahweh, God of the Hebrews (Paper 96)
However, being open to research all possibilities and relationships concerning religious traditions, culture and philosophy is commendable, since we ought to research all things to discover their meaning and value, whether aspects of the story are mythological, since 'parables' teach in symbolic language and all is related subjectively in the realm of 'religious experience'.
This goes for the story of Jesus and Lucifer since so much lore and legend exists around these personalities. The UB expounds in much depth the 'Lucifer Rebellion', - and the psychological elements involved, the philosophical context.
pj
Zeke
Well-known member
And you do? you bought into one aspect of the tale made literal which I once also bought, actual historical facts are not on you're side on this one, and the record favors tampering and plagiarized material from the past that out weighs the egocentric raves of you're ignorance gone to seed, been there done that.
Zeke
Well-known member
Because there are none to prove, maybe a slight fit here and there but the record is mostly "silent in regards to David, Moses, Solomon, Exodus, Jesus," and mostly based on tradition and legend or channeled information outside your self.
The need to keep you blind to the fact that you are immortal with out some Savior program is the charade you push for the greatest hoax on this prison plan-"net".
journey
New member
You're 100% correct! Why? - The Holy Bible was inspired by God, and this is unlike any other book written. In other words, the Holy Bible stands ALONE as being GOD'S WORD.
Aimiel
Well-known member
Amen! :thumb:
Aimiel
Well-known member
There are thousands of historical facts stated in Scripture.
There's more proof of Jesus' existence than ANY OTHER person in antiquity.
The only eternal life available is in Christ Jesus.
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Daniel1611
New member
The Urantia Book is in severe conflict with the Bible on every major doctrinal issue. The Urantia Book is of the devil.
Doctrine formation is evil. In fact Jesus' religion was in severe conflict with the theology of Judaism. Jesus stretched the minds of his followers as far away from fasts and forms.
Isaiah
…19Who say, "Let Him make speed, let Him hasten His work, that we may see it; And let the purpose of the Holy One of Israel draw near And come to pass, that we may know it!" 20Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! 21Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight!…
Daniel1611
New member
How do you know what Jesus taught? He taught that he would be killed for the sins of the world. If this part of the record of his teaching is inaccurate, how do you know the rest of the record is accurate? This is what I don't understand about people who don't believe the whole Bible, or even a whole book of the Bible, is true. You arbitrarily say "This part is true and this part isn't." How? If I found major untruths in the Bible, why would I spend my time with any of it?
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
education is key................
education is key................
FALSE.
You continue to reveal your ignorance of the text, like others here.
Educate yourself or cease your disinformation:
> An Introduction to The Urantia Book
for Conservative Christians
> Urantia Book Differences From
Traditional Christian Beliefs
~*~*~
You continue to parade your ignorance of the papers. Neither can you prove your assumption, since it is a most petty presumption without foundation and based solely on a bigoted, misinformed, biased opinion. This kind of kindergarten antics of anything you disagree with being "of the devil" is child's play.
Note that no UB reader here is claiming that the Bible is "of the devil", can you find such anywhere? Do you see any UB reader here demonizing the Bible or a bible-believer? Can you find any UB reader here continually demeaning, degrading bible-believers, as the spawn of satan, filled with darkness, of the 'anti-Christ', having no light in them, etc.,??? You can find that mostly with the 'so called' christian critics here, lamblasting the UB as 'demonic'. Again, from the higher cosmic perspective, the illumined view espoused in the papers, such are immature gestures of minds inflexible or open to progressive revelation.
pj
education is key................
FALSE.
You continue to reveal your ignorance of the text, like others here.
Educate yourself or cease your disinformation:
> An Introduction to The Urantia Book
for Conservative Christians
> Urantia Book Differences From
Traditional Christian Beliefs
~*~*~
You continue to parade your ignorance of the papers. Neither can you prove your assumption, since it is a most petty presumption without foundation and based solely on a bigoted, misinformed, biased opinion. This kind of kindergarten antics of anything you disagree with being "of the devil" is child's play.
Note that no UB reader here is claiming that the Bible is "of the devil", can you find such anywhere? Do you see any UB reader here demonizing the Bible or a bible-believer? Can you find any UB reader here continually demeaning, degrading bible-believers, as the spawn of satan, filled with darkness, of the 'anti-Christ', having no light in them, etc.,??? You can find that mostly with the 'so called' christian critics here, lamblasting the UB as 'demonic'. Again, from the higher cosmic perspective, the illumined view espoused in the papers, such are immature gestures of minds inflexible or open to progressive revelation.
pj
You still, busy at it Freelight? What do you hope to
accomplish here? I would appreciate a civil and
serious response?
accomplish here? I would appreciate a civil and
serious response?
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