The impact of Donald Trump Jr's emails

kmoney

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https://www.vox.com/2017/7/11/15953204/donald-trump-jr-emails-russia


The Donald Trump Jr. emails change everything
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The email thread makes clear that Donald Trump Jr. was aware of and willing to support a Russian government effort to help his father’s campaign.

It suggests that Kushner and Manafort were also in the loop.


And it raises serious questions of how Donald Trump himself could have kept professing to disbelieve claims that Russia was helping him.

What actually happened when Trump Jr., Kushner, and Manafort met Russian government attorney Natalia Veselnitskaya on June 9, 2016, in Trump Tower remains unclear.

Trump Jr. has claimed in a statement that he was given no useful information at the meeting and that the matter went no further. Yet previous accounts he’s given of the meeting keep leaving out relevant details that emerge later on.

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The email thread makes clear that the people closest to Trump understood that Russia was trying to help his campaign
Throughout the past year, Trump and his team have denied and disparaged reports that the Russian government tried to help his candidacy, and that there was any collusion between his team and Russia.


Trump himself for months publicly professed not even to believe that the Russian government was behind the hackings and leaks of prominent Democrats’ emails, something that is the consensus judgment of US intelligence agencies.

In the opening months of this year, report after report of strange or suspicious behavior from Trump and his team members around Russia kept emerging. But we still lacked outright proof that there was any private understanding or behind-the-scenes collaboration between the two camps. It remained theoretically possible that what US intelligence agencies said was a multifaceted Russian effort to help Trump win was done without anyone from the Trump team knowing about it.

That is no longer possible. We have indisputable proof that people very close to the president indeed — his son, his son-in-law/top adviser, and his then-campaign chair — were not only aware of but encouraging of a Russian government effort to help Trump win the White House.

Think about it: Goldstone casually sent Trump Jr. an email saying his information would be “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump” — casually stating Russia’s support for Trump as if it were an unremarkable fact.

Trump Jr.’s response is similarly blasé. Rather than being confused or questioning what Goldstone means when he’s referring to the Russian government’s support for Trump, the president’s son cheerily responds “If it’s what you say I love it” and proceeds to try to get the details. And he forwards the thread on to Kushner and Manafort.

It’s hard to read these emails and not conclude that the top echelons of the Trump campaign were well aware of the Russian government’s support for Trump and willing to collaborate in the effort — which you’d have to think implies that Trump himself has been well aware of this knowledge all along.




Finally, some real dirt? :think:
 

kmoney

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That's ALL you two will be doing. The Trump machine will get Kush & Junior out of any trouble. Just like the Clintons avoid trouble.
That implies either that the Trumps are shady and did something wrong or the Clintons never did anything wrong. Which is it? :think:
 

rexlunae

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Apparently, Congress wants to hear from DJTJ next week. I would like someone to ask him when, to the best of his knowledge, the campaign started collaborating with Russia and how it was set up. The email chain is tantalizing in part because it implies that there's more. It was not introducing the subject of Russian assistance to Trump as if anew. This was building on earlier groundwork. He might take the 5th, but that in itself would really be something.

The truth will out...and it's starting to.
 

ok doser

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One key aspect of this case revolves around whether the trump haters can convince a judge that the term "value" in the campaign finance laws doesn't really mean financial value, but can be twisted to mean any sort of voluntary assistance

As I've demonstrated to Rex, this is a definition that will equally apply to the HRC campaign
 

patrick jane

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That implies either that the Trumps are shady and did something wrong or the Clintons never did anything wrong. Which is it? :think:
That was sarcasm, the Trump Machine is the American people, the majority of which don't care about Russia anymore.
 

rexlunae

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One key aspect of this case revolves around whether the trump haters can convince a judge that the term "value" in the campaign finance laws doesn't really mean financial value, but can be twisted to mean any sort of voluntary assistance

That's an easy case to make, as campaigns routinely pay for oppo research. And the verbiage of the law is "any thing of value", because it means everything. Really, everything. Even intangible things. I don't know why you think "finance" limits what it's referring to. The definition of financial value is, basically, "what people will pay for".

The distinction you're making doesn't exist in the law, and it is completely contrived.

As I've demonstrated to Rex, this is a definition that will equally apply to the HRC campaign

Of course. The difference is that the Clinton campaign was run essentially above-board, with lawyers who give useful advice for how to avoid breaking the law. Does that mean no one in the campaign broke the law? Not necessarily, but they at least tried to obey it, and if anyone did break the law, they should be held accountable.
 

Danoh

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Apparently, Congress wants to hear from DJTJ next week. I would like someone to ask him when, to the best of his knowledge, the campaign started collaborating with Russia and how it was set up. The email chain is tantalizing in part because it implies that there's more. It was not introducing the subject of Russian assistance to Trump as if anew. This was building on earlier groundwork. He might take the 5th, but that in itself would really be something.

The truth will out...and it's starting to.

Trump Changes Tune On Russian Lawyer Meeting: ‘Maybe It Was Mentioned’

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-changes-tune-on-awareness-of-russia-meeting

Sources: Trump lawyers knew of Russia emails three weeks ago

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sources-trump-lawyers-knew-russia-emails-back-june-000320831.html
 

Ktoyou

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Some, on Wall St, are sick of Donald Trump; they think Mike Pence would be better suited towards getting along, and co-operating. Trump is too much on playing showman, the media hates him and he keeps bringing it on.
 

patrick jane

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Some, on Wall St, are sick of Donald Trump; they think Mike Pence would be better suited towards getting along, and co-operating. Trump is too much on playing showman, the media hates him and he keeps bringing it on.
But it would be so boring without Trump
 

Ktoyou

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Don't be brainwashed by the Trump haters

Many of these people agreed with preferring Trump, even after Clinton had agreed to behave herself, they did not trust her on issues. What they did not see correctly, is that Donald Trump is not willing to play along; he wants to do everything his way, and that was not the real deal, and he knows it.

No one is affecting my thinking.
 
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