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Matthew 21:31 "Which of the two did what his father wanted?" "The first," they answered. Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.
The Gospel That Makes All Religions Worthless
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RP and Nanja are both lost and both preach falseness.
Nanja
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Another false statement!
Rom. 9:20-21
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
The fact that you believe that God is unjust is what will cause you to be lost. The scripture that you quoted does not mean that God is an unjust sinner that you think that he is. Calvinism is self defeating because of what it requires you to believe about God and his Son Jesus Christ.
Nanja
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False statement!
God is absolutely Righteous in all His Works!
Ps. 145:17
The LORD is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.
Deut. 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
That's why God cannot bring condemnation on those Christ died for, because all He Lived and Died for shall be made Righteous Rom. 5:19. Yet, there are others which shall be punished with everlasting destruction Rom. 9:22; Jude 1:4; Prov. 16:4.
2 Thes. 1:8-9
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
And because God is absolutely Just / Righteous, He will not destroy the Righteous with the wicked Gen. 18:25!
Mat. 25:41, 46
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:
but the righteous into life eternal.
To believe that God gives life to some for the purpose of sending them to hell is to believe that God is an unjust, unmerciful tyrant. It is not possible for you to believe such horrible things about God and be saved. And then to believe that Jesus failed to atone for the sins of the world is just as bad.
Nanja
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So then, in your false gospel, you believe that men determine who the objects of God's Saving Grace are which is in direct contradiction of:
Rom. 9:20-23
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory
But in these scriptures Paul preached, it's God that determined which vessels were made for destruction and which ones were made for His Mercy!
I have been over this with you before. Romans 9:22 says "WHAT IF" Romans 9:22 is not something that God does. You want to believe that God is unjust. You want to believe that God is a tyrant. Because you want to believe these bad things about God shows that you don't have saving faith in him.
Nanja
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Scriptures clearly teach that God made some for the purpose of destruction, his vessels of dishonour. And beccause we know that those elected to Salvation is only a remnant Rom. 11:5, it stands to reason that the majority of mankind were created to be destroyed Prov. 16:4.
So just like Pharaoh, they were made to persecute God's People so He can Justly punish them for their wickedness. And because God never loved the vessels of wrath Rom. 9:22, He most certainly didn't send His Beloved Son into the world to die for their sins.
God does not create life for the purpose of sending it to hell. What a terrible thing for you to believe about God. You are a religious unbeliever. John 3:16 plainly says that "God so loved the world" this means that God loves everyone, even those like yourself that deny him. People send themselves to hell because like you they don't believe in him.
Nanja
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False statement!
There are two worlds of people the scriptures speak of:
#1 An eternally forgiven World 2 Cor. 5:19. that God Loved, and has Chosen in union with Christ before the foundation to be holy and without blame before Him in Love Eph. 1:4, to have forgiveness of sins according to the riches of His Grace Eph. 1:7, and Gave His Son for John 3:16. A Blessed World whose sins were never imputed to them Rom. 4:7-8, but to their Surety Christ Jesus in their stead Heb. 7:22; Is. 53:6, so by His Blood they are exempt from any punishment Rom. 5:9; 1 Cor. 11:32.
#2 An eternally condemned world which God created for His Glory and Justice to damnation for its sins against Him.
So whether a man is created to be saved from his sins Mat. 1:21 such as are the Vessels of Mercy Rom. 9:23; or created to be condemned for his sins John 3:18, 36 as the Vessels of Wrath Rom. 9:22, it's all for the Glory of God!
You will believe anything as long as it appeases your Calvinist God.
Nanja
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You neither Know nor acknowledge the One True God and His Words.
John 17:1-3
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
All for whom Christ died, are all the ones given Him of the Father.
Not to give eternal life to all without exception, but exclusive to as many as the Father has given Him.
It's only these, God's Elect, His Sheep He gave His Life for John 10:11, 15, that shall Know the True God and Jesus Christ!
John 10:14
I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Mat. 26:28
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
All those for whom Christ died shall be given a Saving and Spiritual Knowledge of Him in New Birth to Know the True God!
Nanja
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You have both been deceived by Satan. Satan has convinced you that God is unjust, unmerciful, unrighteous and is a tyrant that delights in sending people to hell. Because it is not possible to believe that about God and be saved, you are lost.
And then to believe that Jesus did NOT atone for the sins of the whole world, means that you don't believe in him, nor do you have faith in him.
You are both without faith and without hope and are eternally lost.
And then to believe that Jesus did NOT atone for the sins of the whole world, means that you don't believe in him, nor do you have faith in him.
You are both without faith and without hope and are eternally lost.
God's Truth
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Your beliefs are worse than even the Calvinists', for you say God condemns people to hell for obeying Him.
It would be nice if we could obey God and the commandments, but due to our fallen nature we can't, Romans 5:12.
marhig
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With the power of the Holy Spirit we can!
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Oh Robert Pate, I can hardly believe that you said that. Right now, I want to ask you what you think we cannot obey?