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The earth is flat and we never went to the moon
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musterion
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"They" will blow you away if you try to get too close. :noid:
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Derf
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Yes, I agree completely. What I was trying to do with using the crepuscular ray angles was to show that the flat earth model can't use the crepuscular rays any more than the globular earth model. First, for the reason you state, and second, because it makes the sun ridiculously low. Unfortunately, there's no such thing as a ridiculousness filter for the flat earth crowd, except if science says something.
I fear this (at least the Christian form of it) is an offshoot of the 6-day creationist movement. Don't get me wrong here, I'm all in favor of 6-day creation, but I've seen people go overboard to say that all science is bad, including medical, physical, biological and psychiatric. And I don't claim that any of those disciplines are without error--none are--but some people throw the baby out with the bathwater, partially because of how the creationist movement proponents have tried to explain things that don't make sense in their model. Starlight is the foremost example.
musterion
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So how did NASA fake this?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/39920...theories-but-theres-a-scientific-explanation/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/39920...theories-but-theres-a-scientific-explanation/
So instead of responding to the arguments presented, you're going to post yet another pro-flat earth video? And not only that, but one that in the video thumbnail claims that sunlight doesn't actually come from the sun?
Now you've moved to the absurd, Dave, no one can take you seriously anymore.
I don't think he ever really considered what anyone else said. Debated against it (to a minimal extent), but actually considered it? No.
The title is not a good one, but just watch the video, the point is well made how the sun works with the gases in the atmosphere to produce light.
--Dave
And you actually believe that sunlight doesn't come directly from the sun. Wow. Yup, you've gone off the deep end Dave, you really have.
Tell me Dave. Does the sun emit photons?
If you don't agree with the video presentation then say why.
This debate is not about me.
--Dave
I've always hated how modern Christians are so quick to discard science, which is to tacitly discard reason. It's one thing to reject a scientific theory or even a whole field of science on the basis of a flawed premise but there is a gigantic anti-intellectualistic movement within the Christian church that rejects, not just science but the workings of the human mind itself, which is the very epitome of throwing out the baby with the bath water.
The fact is that the Bible is true but our doctrine may or may not be. If science, and I mean real, rational, honest, rigorous science contradicts our doctrine, that isn't the same as contradicting the Bible. The truth contradicts neither itself nor any other truth. As such, Biblical Christianity has nothing to fear from real science and rather than fearing and rejecting science, Christianity should embrace it fully.
Another problem is the fact that so much of science today isn't really science, which is further compounded by the fact that our educational system is systematically and intentionally redefining what science is in the minds of the students and has succeeded in doing so to a larger degree than most people would be willing to admit. This complicates the discussion when one attempts to convince someone that there is nothing to fear from real science because you have to spend an inordinate amount of time just defining terms.
Clete
Dave,
We've been over this. Both of the images are OUT OF FOCUS!!!!
Those concentric circles you see in the first image of Venus (if it even is Venus at all) are caused by tiny aberrations in the lens or mirror on the telescope. My bet is he's using a Schmidt/Cassegrain reflector and that those concentric circles are created by the manner in which he's cleaned his corrector plate but the effect can be created by any telescope regardless of type.
And I literally laughed out loud when I saw the image with the filter! It's just so obviously out of focus.
I mean ANYONE with even the cheapest piece of crap telescope knows instantly what he's seeing when they watch this video. That IS NOT what Venus looks like in ANY telescope that is focused and its basically what it looks like in EVERY telescope when its out of focus.
If you don't believe me, go to any hobby store and buy a $50 telescope and look at anything through it. It doesn't ahve to be Venus. Any star you look at, any planet you look at will look basically just like this video until you focus the telescope.
Clete
P.S. The guy who made this video KNOWS that he's shooting an out of focus image.
If anyone has ever blurred their vision intentionally, they know what an out-of-focus image looks like, forget even a cheap telescope.
If you want to know what planet actually look like through a telescope, watch the following video....
https://youtu.be/QB7iGe04eAA
A few minutes in, the camera shooting the video had the telescope in the foreground and both Jupiter and Venus in the back ground. At 4:25 look at what Venus looks like when the camera is focused on the telescope and not on the sky. It looks just like the flat earth video (only smaller)!
Later in the video about 17 minutes in, if you want to skip to it, there's a great image of both Jupiter and Venus through the telescope at the same time. Jupiter is up top and the aproximately half phase Venus is the lower planet in the image.
And, it appears I made a wrong guess about the concentric circles in my last post. It seems he was using a simple telephoto camera lens rather than an actual telescope. I say that because this video shows you precisely what Venus looks like and his image looks exactly the same as in the flat earth video until he focused it and set the exposure setting properly. The following video directly and forever refutes the Venus videos David has posted...
https://youtu.be/QB7iGe04eAA
A few minutes in, the camera shooting the video had the telescope in the foreground and both Jupiter and Venus in the back ground. At 4:25 look at what Venus looks like when the camera is focused on the telescope and not on the sky. It looks just like the flat earth video (only smaller)!
Later in the video about 17 minutes in, if you want to skip to it, there's a great image of both Jupiter and Venus through the telescope at the same time. Jupiter is up top and the aproximately half phase Venus is the lower planet in the image.
And, it appears I made a wrong guess about the concentric circles in my last post. It seems he was using a simple telephoto camera lens rather than an actual telescope. I say that because this video shows you precisely what Venus looks like and his image looks exactly the same as in the flat earth video until he focused it and set the exposure setting properly. The following video directly and forever refutes the Venus videos David has posted...
The Berean
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The is purely a private business venture. It's a joint venture by Oneweb and Airbus. The plan is not to sell Internet service directly to people but to the large Internet providers. Airbus has created the first ever automated manufacturing line in Toulouse, France. Once their manufacturing plant is completed in Florida they will build 3 satellites a day.
In terms of launch they plan to launch 30 satellites per launch and allow economies of scale to kick in. They will launch on the modified Soyuz rockets. They also signed a contract with Blue Origin as well. At least that is their plan.
It's an audacious and amazing project. I declined the job mainly because I didn't really want to move to Florida. I dislike sunny, hot, humid weather.
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Dave, Dave, Dave. Misplace your meds again?
You're telling me that these guys are doing this without government grants and/or tax subsidies or some other form of socialistic/fascist interference from the United States government!?
If it's true, I totally love it! I love free market capitalism. Great minds, thinking really big thoughts and working really hard to pull off really big things that benefit lots and lots of people for really big profits. Everyone wins.
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