The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

[1Mind1Spirit]

Do flat earthers even debate against cartography?

Cartography, the art and science of graphically representing a geographical area, usually on a flat surface such as a map or chart. It may involve the superimposition of political, cultural, or other nongeographical divisions onto the representation of a geographical area. Cartography is an ancient discipline that dates from the prehistoric depiction of hunting and fishing territories. The Babylonians mapped the world in a flattened, disk-shaped form, but Claudius Ptolemaeus (Ptolemy) established the basis for subsequent efforts in the 2nd century CE with his eight-volume work Geōgraphikē hyphēgēsis (Guide to Geography) that showed a spherical Earth. Maps produced during the Middle Ages followed Ptolemy’s guide, but they used Jerusalem as the central feature and placed East at the top. Those representations are often called T-maps because they show only three continents (Europe, Asia, and Africa), separated by the “T” formed by the Mediterranean Sea and the Nile River. More accurate geographical representation began in the 14th century when portolan (seamen’s) charts were compiled for navigation. The discovery of the New World by Europeans led to the need for new techniques in cartography, particularly for the systematic representation on a flat surface of the features of a curved surface—generally referred to as a projection (e.g., Mercator projection, cylindrical projection, and Lambert conformal projection). During the 17th and 18th centuries there was a vast outpouring of printed maps of ever-increasing accuracy and sophistication. Systematic surveys were undertaken involving triangulation that greatly improved map reliability and precision. Noteworthy among the scientific methods introduced later was the use of the telescope for determining the length of a degree of longitude.

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Course. lol
Captain cook, one of the ship Captains I referenced, was employed in that very thing while making his voyage.
It's just one reason JR's question was dumb and disproves his allegation of my being a troll.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Course. lol
Captain cook, one of the ship Captains I referenced, was employed in that very thing while making his voyage.
It's just one reason JR's question was dumb and disproves his allegation of my being a troll.

Captain Cook's voyages and maps are proof that the world is a globe and is not flat.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Captain Cook's voyages and maps are proof that the world is a globe and is not flat.

Nope.
(He found himself out of globe earth reckoning by over 15 miles everyday.)
He also found out for sure the fact that the earth is not 24,900 miles in circumference.

 

[Right Divider]

Nope.
(He found himself out of globe earth reckoning by over 15 miles everyday.)
He also found out for sure the fact that the earth is not 24,900 miles in circumference.

Then perhaps you're the genius that can tell us why Australia is ~twice its known size on the flat earth map.

Have at it!

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Then perhaps you're the genius that can tell us why Australia is ~twice its known size on the flat earth map.

Have at it!

Same reason you can't use a globe as a road map.
Just as a globe is not a road map neither is a Gleason map.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Nope.
(He found himself out of globe earth reckoning by over 15 miles everyday.)
He also found out for sure the fact that the earth is not 24,900 miles in circumference.

Captain Cook sailed south, west, and north and reached the starting point of his first voyage.

Why are you claiming Captain Cook sailed off of the globe?

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Captain Cook sailed south, west, and north and reached the starting point of his first voyage.

Why are you claiming Captain Cook sailed off of the globe?

He didn't, you simply think he must have.:kookoo:

 

[genuineoriginal]

He didn't, you simply think he must have.

Please explain what you meant by "He found himself out of globe earth reckoning by over 15 miles everyday." :kookoo:

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Please explain what you meant by "He found himself out of globe earth reckoning by over 15 miles everyday." :kookoo:

He was thoroughly trained in globe earth navigation.

He found himself out of reckoning. :duh:

Yore tryin' to over thunk it.

 

[Right Divider]

Same reason you can't use a globe as a road map.
Just as a globe is not a road map neither is a Gleason map.

That is another example of a person without reason.

Why is Australia about TWICE as big as it should on the flat earth map?

If you can't answer, then just let someone else try.

P.S. On a globe it's just the right size.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

That is another example of a person without reason.

Why is Australia about TWICE as big as it should on the flat earth map?

If you can't answer, then just let someone else try.

P.S. On a globe it's just the right size.

Prove it.

 

[Right Divider]

Prove it.

You must be really new to this silly "defend flat earth" thing.

Flat earther's claim that this is the actual map of the flat earth:
View attachment 26643
If you have a better FE map. let us know.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

You must be really new to this silly "defend flat earth" thing.

Flat earther's claim that this is the actual map of the flat earth:

If you have a better FE map. let us know.

Rabbit hole.
You're new to the debunk flat earth game.
What I said went right over your head.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

[MENTION=595]Knight[/MENTION]

Austraila question answered?

 

[Right Divider]

@Knight
Austraila question answered?

That was some of the worst babbling that I've seen yet. Even worse than Dave's videos.

 

[genuineoriginal]

He was thoroughly trained in globe earth navigation.

He found himself out of reckoning. :duh:

You seem to be trying to rewrite history because it contradicts your attempts to rewrite science.

James Cook - Navigation and science To create accurate maps, latitude and longitude must be accurately determined. Navigators had been able to work out latitude accurately for centuries by measuring the angle of the sun or a star above the horizon with an instrument such as a backstaff or quadrant. Longitude was more difficult to measure accurately because it requires precise knowledge of the time difference between points on the surface of the earth. The Earth turns a full 360 degrees relative to the sun each day. Thus longitude corresponds to time: 15 degrees every hour, or 1 degree every 4 minutes. Cook gathered accurate longitude measurements during his first voyage by his navigational skills, the help of astronomer Charles Green, and by using the newly published Nautical Almanac tables, via the lunar distance method—measuring the angular distance from the moon to either the sun during daytime or one of eight bright stars during night-time to determine the time at the Royal Observatory, Greenwich, and comparing that to his local time determined via the altitude of the sun, moon, or stars. On his second voyage, Cook used the K1 chronometer made by Larcum Kendall, which was the shape of a large pocket watch, 5 inches (13 cm) in diameter. It was a copy of the H4 clock made by John Harrison, which proved to be the first to keep accurate time at sea when used on the ship Deptford's journey to Jamaica in 1761–62. Cook succeeded in circumnavigating the world on his first voyage without losing a single man to scurvy, an unusual accomplishment at the time.

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[1Mind1Spirit]

You seem to be trying to rewrite history because it contradicts your attempts to rewrite science.

James Cook - Navigation and science To create accurate maps, latitude and longitude must be accurately determined. Navigators had been able to work out latitude accurately for centuries by measuring the angle of the sun or a star above the horizon with an instrument such as a backstaff or quadrant. Longitude was more difficult to measure accurately because it requires precise knowledge of the time difference between points on the surface of the earth. The Earth turns a full 360 degrees relative to the sun each day. Thus longitude corresponds to time: 15 degrees every hour, or 1 degree every 4 minutes. Cook gathered accurate longitude measurements during his first voyage by his navigational skills, the help of astronomer Charles Green, and by using the newly published Nautical Almanac tables, via the lunar distance method—measuring the angular distance from the moon to either the sun during daytime or one of eight bright stars during night-time to determine the time at the Royal Observatory, Greenwich, and comparing that to his local time determined via the altitude of the sun, moon, or stars. On his second voyage, Cook used the K1 chronometer made by Larcum Kendall, which was the shape of a large pocket watch, 5 inches (13 cm) in diameter. It was a copy of the H4 clock made by John Harrison, which proved to be the first to keep accurate time at sea when used on the ship Deptford's journey to Jamaica in 1761–62. Cook succeeded in circumnavigating the world on his first voyage without losing a single man to scurvy, an unusual accomplishment at the time.

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Sure he did.
That's why these Captains couldn't duplicate that wondrous feat...

http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/06/south-pole-does-not-exist.html


During Captain James Clark Ross’s voyages around the Antarctic circumference, he often wrote in his journal perplexed at how they routinely found themselves out of accordance with their charts, stating that they found themselves an average of 12-16 miles outside their reckoning every day, some days as much as 29 miles. Lieutenant Charles Wilkes commanded a United States Navy exploration expedition to the Antarctic from August 18th, 1838 to June 10th, 1842, almost four years spent “exploring and surveying the Southern ocean.” In his journals Lieutenant Wilkes also mentioned being consistently east of his reckoning, sometimes over 20 miles in less than 18 hours.


“The commanders of these various expeditions were, of course, with their education and belief in the earth's rotundity, unable to conceive of any other cause for the differences between log and chronometer results than the existence of currents. But one simple fact is entirely fatal to such an explanation, viz., that when the route taken is east or west the same results are experienced. The water of the southern region cannot be running in two opposite directions at the same time; and hence, although various local and variable currents have been noticed, they cannot be shown to be the cause of the discrepancies so generally observed in high southern latitudes between time and log results. The conclusion is one of necessity, forced upon us by the sum of the evidence collected that the degrees of longitude in any given southern latitude are larger than the degrees in any latitude nearer to the northern center; thus proving the already more than sufficiently demonstrated fact that the earth is a plane, having a northern center, in relation to which degrees of latitude are concentric, and from which degrees of longitude are diverging lines, continually increasing in their distance from each other as they are prolonged towards the great glacial southern circumference.” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe!” (261)


“February 11th, 1822, at noon, in latitude 65.53. S. our chronometers gave 44 miles more westing than the log in three days. On 22nd of April (1822), in latitude 54.16. S. our longitude by chronometers was 46.49, and by D.R. (dead reckoning) 47° 11´: On 2nd May (1822), at noon, in latitude 53.46. S., our longitude by chronometers was 59° 27´, and by D.R. 61° 6´. October 14th, in latitude 58.6, longitude by chronometers 62° 46´, by account 65° 24´. In latitude 59.7. S., longitude by chronometers was 63° 28´, by account 66° 42´. In latitude 61.49. S., longitude by chronometers was 61° 53´, by account 66° 38´.” -Captain James Weddell, “Voyages Towards the South Pole”

 

[genuineoriginal]

Sure he did.
That's why these Captains couldn't duplicate that wondrous feat...

http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/06/south-pole-does-not-exist.html

From your link:

In the Flat-Earth model of the cosmos, the North Pole is the immovable center of the world and the entire universe. Polaris, the North Star, sits straight over the North Pole at the highest point in the heavens, and like a slowly rotating planetarium dome all the celestial bodies revolve around Polaris and over the Earth once per day. The Sun circles over and around the circumference of Earth every 24 hours, steadily traveling each day from the equator during the March vernal equinox, up to the Tropic of Cancer at the June summer solstice, back down to the equator for the September autumnal equinox, and all the way down to the Tropic of Capricorn on the December winter solstice. In the Flat-Earth model, the South Pole does not exist at all and Antarctica is instead a gigantic ice-wall extending the circumference of Earth holding in the oceans like a giant bowl, or a “world cup.” As strange as this concept may sound at first, it is a fact that if you set a bearing due South from anywhere on Earth, inevitably at or before 78 degrees Southern latitude, you will find yourself face-to-face with an enormous ice-wall towering 100-200 feet in the air extending to the East and West the entire circumference of the world!

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[Nathon Detroit]

Austraila question answered?

Yes. Totally makes sense now. :rotfl:

My favorite reply to this YouTube video was....

"I live in Australia and have driven all over it and I can tell you this video is totally and utterly WRONG. Confirmed as wrong by me. BUSTED in the most embarrassing way. Constructed by a lunatic who knows nothing outside of YouTube." - Ian Dell

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Yes. Totally makes sense now. :rotfl:

My favorite reply to this YouTube video was....

"I live in Australia and have driven all over it and I can tell you this video is totally and utterly WRONG. Confirmed as wrong by me. BUSTED in the most embarrassing way. Constructed by a lunatic who knows nothing outside of YouTube." - Ian Dell

At least right divider was honest enough to say he didn't understand it.
You on the other hand are full of it.