glorydaz
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Well, there is a distinction now between men and women, but we are all the same in Him.
Society today may not admit that, but we know.
The Devil The Deceiver
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Society today may not admit that, but we know.
Why do you reject scripture for traditions? I am not the first to say this. Or show you this.
Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
glorydaz
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Yes, all twelve tribes. None lost or abandone.
Bladerunner
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Mat. 19:28...is referring to the millennium and the remnant of Israel. Yes, they will judge their tribes....Not sure what you are speaking of traditions.....some traditions is born out of the Bible...but many of the traditions was formed from rabbis that had to use the oral tannach after the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. They have no place to relieve themselves of their sins (cover them over) as there is also no place for sacrifice.
Idolater
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We are moral equals (such as we are equals before the law or under the law, of Christ or of the land, which means we have the same rights), and also there are traditional offices reserved just for men and just for women and just for eunuchs, that go back thousands of years and have always been part of man's customs. To preserve these ancient customs is conservative simpliciter. To experiment with them is borderline lib, but to alter them is downright reckless and irresponsible.
Idolater
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Yes, all twelve tribes. None lost or abandone.
If the throne of David is the whole World's crown or monarchy, then wouldn't the Apostle's thrones also govern parts of the whole World too? How do you constitute a government with multiple thrones which all cooperate and never conflict? The Twelve submit to the Lord, it must be. It's not adversarial, like our Earthly justice system. Two parties compete in a law court, but the Twelve'd never compete against the Lord, they'd always submit and follow orders, why do anything else?
And what if there are other thrones which will judge the rest of the people, all the Gentiles? Maybe if there are 12 thrones governing the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, maybe there are like 6000 thrones overseeing everybody else? Aren't they like 1 /500 of the World's population?
Anyway I'm sure it's just coincidence there are about 6000 Catholic, Orthodox, and other of the ancientest Church traditions bishops today.
I mean who knows. Right?
glorydaz
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I can’t imagine there being any Catholic bishops sitting on thrones in Kingdom. Seriously.
To be honest, I haven’t really studied much on the coming kingdom here on earth. I can read about it, but can’t really picture how it will be.
His constant quoting of non-Biblical ways of the RCC. The Lord Jesus Christ said it to some of the Jews. I didn't realize some would not know the parallel right away to his actions here and the gospel accounts.
Bladerunner
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Doesn't Revelation give us a clue? Sure it does.
I am so used to correcting the catholic, I was on auto pilot with my response. I will leave the mistake up.
Idolater
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False dichotomy. We embrace both Apostolic tradition, which is Apostolic teaching by word of mouth, and Scripture, which is Apostolically approved. iow the Scripture itself, its table of contents, the canon of Scripture, is Apostolic. We use the same Bible the Apostles did.
Isn't He here speaking directly to His eventual Apostles? So if we accept and recognize and embrace all that the Apostles taught.
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
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LOL... the twelve apostles did NOT have the Pauline epistles when they were "following Christ".
No, He was talking to the twelve apostles that will sit on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel... just like it says.
That did NOT include that other, different apostle Paul.
Paul was talking about things that HE taught them... not your RCC fabrications.
2Thess 2:14 (AKJV/PCE)
(2:14) Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Paul had a gospel that was NOT given before God called him. That is part of the dispensation given to Paul (for us).
Eph 3:1-7 (AKJV/PCE)
(3:1) For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, (3:2) If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: (3:3) How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, (3:4) Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) (3:5) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; (3:6) That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: (3:7) Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
Bladerunner
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no problem.....have a great evening
Idolater
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[That] explains why our New Testaments are different.
But why are our Old Testaments different? The Apostles used one Old Testament, and it was the Roman Catholic Old Testament (the Greek Septuagint), so why are our Old Testaments different?
ECT - No one was "looking forward to the cross"
[Title borrowed from a mid-Acts blog] If anyone during the Lord's time on earth would have anticipated His death, burial and resurrection for forgiveness and justification of the world, the disciples would have been the ones. But what does God tell us? Mark 9:30-32 And they departed...
theologyonline.com
... but it's not because Jesus didn't tell them in advance about it. He did tell them about the Good News of the cross and crucifixion. But it was hid from them, right? It's not because they weren't told. Jesus had been preaching and teaching the Good News of the cross, but it was hid from His students, the Disciples, the future Apostles.
There's a lot of things that distinguishes Paul from the rest of the Twelve. But both he and Peter call the Church a temple.
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QUOTE THEM!
There are MULTIPLE churches in the Bible, just like there are MULTIPLE gospels.
Idolater
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As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
But are there multiple temples.
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Where is Peter? Quote THEM.
This was your claim: "But both he and Peter call the Church a temple."
(Hint: The word "temple" is not used in Peter's epistles.)
Indeed, literal and figurative.