The Devil The Deceiver

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"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Paul goes a step further ofc as you know in invoking the promises made to Israel immediately after saying what he said, "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

How are Gentiles "heirs" according to the promise made to Abraham? That promise was for Israel. That's a MYSTERY.¹

Paul explains:

Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:


(In Catholicism this is the Church; both triumphant and the Church militant.)

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Obtaining an inheritance makes a person an heir. (And Gentiles were predestined for this inheritance, which means the Church was prophesied of, but it was veiled; a mystery.)

12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.


"Sealed with the Holy Spirit," the earnest of our inheritance, is the sacrament of confirmation.

15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

(ofc Paul doesn't mean here folks who might be faking it. He means bona fide Christians. That's how Catholics use the term too.)

16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;

"Give thinks" = Eucharist, another sacrament. And the Church militant does actually still offer Masses, for the suffering Church suffering.

17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:


That just means Heaven. He is in Heaven rn.

22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.


If you're not in the Church, you're missing the fullness of your faith.

[The Adversary]'ll always be tempting you into something to sow discord and unhappiness. He loves discord and unhappiness.

He hates Ephesians 2

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:


(The Devil.)

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; )

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:


This means somehow that we are in Heaven rn, like He is, and with Him. Our priests during the liturgy of the Eucharist say (this is from memory, it could be wrong), "Through Him and with Him and in Him, Oh God almighty Father, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all glory and power is Yours forever and ever."

7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.


(In the Eucharist the blood of Christ is the chalice, or "cup.")

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.


That's Paul stealing Peter's metaphor of the Church as a building, as a temple. But Peter's also got the ark metaphor; Paul didn't use that one.


¹Mystery means sacrament in Latin.
 
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glorydaz

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It doesn't have to make sense to you. That's not part of the Christian life, to only do what makes sense to you, you have to submit to the authorities put over you, they are literally overseers of the Church. They are bishops. And what they say is to believe the Bible, and the Apostles. And the Apostles are the ones who made the bishops, and Jesus is the One Who made the pope. He gave the keys to the kingdom to His Apostles, He gave them the throne of David and the seat of Moses, the power to bind and loose, and the keys to His eternal kingdom. They belong to the papacy, and the papacy belongs to the bishops, and the bishops belong to Jesus. And ofc we lay faithful are also priests, we are not ministerial priests but we are priests, all of us, so we are all Jesus's possessions, as He is our high priest, in the order of Melchizedek, who ministered with bread and wine.
The Pope is in line with Satan. Haven’t you been paying attention?
 

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For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;
We all love an OUT OF CONTEXT quote!

Read the text in ITS CONTEXT:

Jer 33:15-18 (AKJV/PCE)​
(33:15) ¶ In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. (33:16) In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this [is the name] wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness. (33:17) ¶ For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel; (33:18) Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.​
It's about a FUTURE time and from THEN ON.
 

Idolater

"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
The dispute was to continue in the "red letters" or not, as Paul was teaching.

I see none of that:

When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.

4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.

5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;

9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.


iow There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And there are 2 groups. They were not religious zealots outside the faith. They were believers.

"certain men which came down from Judaea" and "certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed" were silenced at the Jerusalem Council, just like the Arians were when the Nicean Council concluded.
 

Idolater

"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
We all love an OUT OF CONTEXT quote!

Read the text in ITS CONTEXT:

Jer 33:15-18 (AKJV/PCE)​
(33:15) ¶ In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. (33:16) In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this [is the name] wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness. (33:17) ¶ For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel; (33:18) Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.​

It's about a FUTURE time and from THEN ON.

That's what I've been saying.
 

Nick M

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It is why bishops all through history [have] always recognized their right to challenge the pope to his face, it is this very passage. As with the Jerusalem Council, the Church has used what the Scripture says to guide her path.
11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. 13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews?

So your original "Pope" was out of step with the gospel. Very interesting. That is the thing with the "Catholic" church. Everything is outside of scripture. All of their structure and hierarchy.
 

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you have to submit to the authorities put over you,

5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

24 And the following day they entered Caesarea. Now Cornelius was waiting for them, and had called together his relatives and close friends. 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”


I like how the scripture says, but you say....
 

Idolater

"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. 13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews?

So your original "Pope" was out of step with the gospel. Very interesting. That is the thing with the "Catholic" church. Everything is outside of scripture. All of their structure and hierarchy.
Hold on. So because there's a bad pope, therefore the office of pope is outside of Scripture? How does that work? And I suppose if there's a bad bishop, therefore the office of a bishop 1st Timothy 3:1 doesn't exist either? This is undermining the ministerial hierarchy that Christ and His Apostles all set in motion. The Chair or St. Peter is the throne of David and the seat of Moses in this dispensation (the New and Eternal Covenant). The pope keeps it warm for Jesus for when He returns. He's the King's vicar, the pope's not the king, but he is like Isaiah 22:22, he wields the keys to the kingdom (the throne of David) and the power to bind and loose (the seat of Moses, iow the priesthood). And the papacy's on wheels, there was like a century where the popes lived in France, not Italy, so it can move, iow, to Jerusalem. For some reason.
 

Idolater

"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

24 And the following day they entered Caesarea. Now Cornelius was waiting for them, and had called together his relatives and close friends. 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”


I like how the scripture says, but you say....

Jesus put it like this:

Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.

26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;

27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:


The pope is the Church's servant. We submit to a servant.

Besides when we kneel to Jesus in the Eucharist it's with the right knee; but with the pope, we can kneel, but it's only supposed to be the left knee, to make it clear.
 

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Peter was in Scripture.
He still is.
He held the office.
There is no such "office", so NO... he did not.

He was one of twelve apostles for twelve tribes of the nation of Israel.
The office is the keys to the kingdom and the power to bind and loose.
All related to the nation of Israel.
Fortunately the whole Church is for everybody.
Indeed, the body of Christ is for all believers today.

The RCC is a place for heretics and ignorant people.
 
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