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That Christ's death for sin was NOT sufficient!
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Cruciform
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I categorically deny your misrepresentation of Catholic doctrine here. Catholic teaching in no way "denies the sufficiency of Jesus' death." Your description here is merely a Straw Man Fallacy on your part. Sorry for your confusion.
Cruciform
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On what possible basis could he deny this fact? His chosen non-Catholic denomination/sect is demonstrably man-made, as all non-Catholic religious groups invented over the past five centuries unequivocally are. :doh:
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HisServant
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Nope... it certainly doesnt mean church.
It denotes a self governing community called together for a temporary purppse by a king... in our case Jesus...
You are not self governing... you are told what to think and what to do. Under penalty of your soul.
Cruciform
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F. Reinecker & C. Rogers, Linguistic Key to the Greek New Testament (Zondervan, 1980), p. 49:
ecclesia: "assembly, church."
Note that this comes from decidedly Protestant Greek scholars, and from a distinctly Protestant publisher. So much for your above claim.
go to the church today
-give thanks
-that we might be saved
-give thanks
-that we might be saved
HisServant
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Why should I take their word for it? Any idiot can write a book or create a church....and get idiots like you to follow them!
the church teaches
-that we might be saved
-paul teaches
-that we might be saved
-might means
-that it is conditional
-that we might be saved
-paul teaches
-that we might be saved
-might means
-that it is conditional
Cruciform
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Because they are academically qualified Greek scholars (and Protestants to boot!), and you decidedly are not. I can quote several additional non-Catholic Greek scholars on this point as well if you like. Shall I, then?
And any idiot can try to promote his own ignorance over the specialized knowledge of academically qualified Greek experts, but nobody's going to buy it for a moment. Better quit while you're ahead, friend. You're just embarrassing yourself.
KingdomRose
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Oh no. You are just not reading what I post carefully. I didn't say anything that you said I said.
KingdomRose
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That's where you keep messing up. I asked you to quote the scripture that says that Jesus went to the prison of those spirits who DIED. Where does it say they DIED? Is that hard to understand?
KingdomRose
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What is humorous about that? For several centuries there were Jews in Babylon, where the majority stayed even after Cyrus gave them permission to go back to Jerusalem. It makes sense that Peter would go to visit them in Babylon.
KingdomRose
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I have a very nice picture of the Pope kissing a big crucifix, and also one of him kneeling before a statue of Mary. If you don't think that's idol worship, I wonder what you do call it.
KingdomRose
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That is true....the molestation problem has nothing to do with priests not being married. The Catholic priesthood is a magnet for pedophiles, because they know they will be working in parishes teeming with children.
KingdomRose
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2,000 years of history proves that a straw man has nothing to do with it. Open your eyes. You can't see the widespread abuse of children? It's all over the world! You aren't aware of popes murdering and fornicating to gain and keep power and wealth?
Sheesh! Research RODRIGO BORGIA and see what you come up with.
KingdomRose
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Your man-made religion, invented 2,000 years ago---the great apostacy that Jesus and his disciples warned about---is the religion that spawned that non-Catholic sect. It's just like you, except its politics are a little different. Same doctrines. Just no pope.
KingdomRose
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KingdomRose
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I don't think Jesus had in mind many gospels. He said: "The good news [gospel] of THE KINGDOM will be preached..." (Matt.24:14)
His Kingdom government was the focus and theme of his teaching, wherever he went.
KingdomRose
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Indeed. And Paul preached the necessity of doing good works as well.
How can you twist this?
"[God] will render to each person according to his deeds: to those who by perseverance in doing good, seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life....Glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek." (Romans 2:6,7,10, NASB)
"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad." (2 Corinthians 5:10)
"So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling." (Philippians 2:12)
"Faithful is the saying, and concerning these things I desire you to make firm assertions constantly, in order that those who have believed God may keep their minds on maintaining fine works. These things are fine and beneficial to men." (Titus 3:8)
"Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into [God's] rest, for fear anyone should fall in the same pattern of disobedience." (Hebrews 4:11)
"You have need of endurance, in order that, after you have done the will of God, you may receive the fulfillment of the promise." (Hebrews 10:36)
KingdomRose
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No you didn't answer or correct.