based on what?
-what determines who gets saved that lived before Jesus suffered and died?
the church
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based on what?
-what determines who gets saved that lived before Jesus suffered and died?
SaulToPaul 2
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The ones God reckoned as faithful. He knows.
SaulToPaul 2
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:idunno:
what did they have to do to be considered faithful?
SaulToPaul 2
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Believe what God revealed to them, and yes, act upon it. Faith and works.
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See Acts 7.
so faith and works were required for them and they have to wait for Jesus to return
-for you only faith and no waiting
-that is not reasonable
-it doesn't make sense
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The LORD Jesus exercised faith (and works) on my behalf. My job is to trust him. The LORD did not tell me anything else to do in order to be accepted.
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and king james told you there was a church in the wilderness during the days of moses
-good luck with that
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Here's the truth:
You are not like those in the OT. God never promised you anything. God never made a covenant with you.
You were without hope and without God in this world. The only thing you can do to please God is trust his Son.
1 Cor 15:1-4 (KJV)
Your traditions are not suitable. Try again:
WAS PETER MADE CHIEF OF ALL THE APOSTLES OF JESUS CHRIST?
The first Scripture to which Catholics appeal to attempt
to prove that Peter was made chief of all the apostles is Acts
8:14-15). It reads,
"Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard
that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto
them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down,
prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost.”
Question: If Peter was “Prince of The Apostles” how
was it that the other apostles sent him (Peter) on a special
mission? Would not the “Prince of The Apostles” have been
doing the “sending” rather than the “going”? Recently, it
was the Pope who called the American Cardinals to Rome,
not the Cardinals calling the Pope to America.
In Acts 19:15-22, Luke records the meeting of the elders,
apostles, and others, as well as the subsequent letter
produced by them to be sent to the Gentile brethren concerning
the relationship of the Law of Moses to the Gentiles.
Peter did not run the whole shebang! Notice that the Scripture
reads that, “it seemed good to the apostles (not Peter
alone—DPB) and the elders (not Peter alone—DPB), with
the whole church (not Peter alone—DPB).” The Roman hierarchy
does not operate this way today. In the case of the
decision just noticed and the subsequent letter produced, the
Scripture reveals that, “it seemed good to the Holy Spirit
and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these
necessary things.” This means that the apostles, elders, and
the “whole church” were in complete accord with what the
Holy Spirit had revealed.
By inspiration of the Holy Spirit, Paul declared that he
was, “not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles” (2 Cor.
11:5). How could Paul truthfully make the preceding point if
Peter was the “Prince of The Apostles”? Moreover, in Galatians
2:11-14 we have the record of Paul rebuking Peter for
his hypocrisy regarding not eating with the Gentile brethren
at Antioch of Syria. Question: what cardinal, archbishop, or
bishop today would dare say or write what Paul did of Peter
to the “infallible” “Right Reverend” “Holy Father,” “Prince
of The Apostles,” “his eminence” the pope?
Literally, “tradition” is the only thing Catholicism has
left to attempt to uphold the supremacy of Peter. However,
the meaning of the word tradition is that which is handed
down. And, if that which is handed down finds no support in
the Scriptures, then it has no weight and must be repudiated
and rejected (2 Tim. 2:15; 3:16-17; Jam. 1:25; John 12:48;
Heb. 4:12; Eph. 6:17; Luke 8:11). It would be nothing less
or more than the tradition of men. Of such men, Jesus said,
“But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines
the commandments of men” (Mat. 15:9).
The Catholic Church infallibly teaches that anybody who believes in the Lord Jesus Christ is an individual member of the Body of Christ.
Serious indeed.
Francis A. Sullivan, who was professor Ameritus at the University of Rome for like 30 years, a Roman Catholic, wrote a book called From. Apostles To Bishops in which he states that Peter was never a Bishop of Rome & in fact, he says, Rome had no Bishops until the middle of the 2nd century. He says until then Rome was ruled by a plurality of elders.
Too bad papal apologists won't admit what their own historians all attest to.
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He really is completely ignorant of the Bible. It's the RCC way.
You won't let the protestants believe in Jesus. You fight them. Salvation is by "Grace through Faith." Sola gratia. We are saved as a result of Faith, that God so rightly Gives as a gift to those who He died for. Sola Fida. Gods authority is not bound up in an earthly entity. His mediator is not the Pope, or a priest. It's Christ alone. Solus Christus. His word is living and active, sharper then any two edged sword, and is the final authority. Sola scriptura. All Glory Is Gods alone, not Mary, the saints, Church ordinance. Soli deo Gloria.
I repeat:
The Catholic Church infallibly teaches that anybody who believes in the Lord Jesus Christ is an individual member of the Body of Christ.
