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[Gurucam]

beameup and his idea of beaming down to hell

beameup and his idea of beaming down to hell

You already died, so tell us about your "death experience".
Perhaps you saw puffy-clouds and angelic beings... and John the Baptist?

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.- Revelation 20:14

Interesting, that you should take a fancy to the above.

For one who calls himself 'beameup' you certainly know how to beam yourself down.

Is the above a portrait of you and yours? Are you the one closest to the flame? . . . the leader of the pack?

The Holy KJV N.T. says: one who esteem, use, promote and invoke the Holy O.T. soweth to his flesh and shall of the flesh reap corruption.

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. (this is to soweth to the flesh)
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. (this is to soweth to the Spirit)

Galatians: 6 KJV N.T.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

. . . how much clearer must the above be made?

Clearly you esteem, use, promote and invoke the Holy O.T.. The Holy O.T. is a divine gift of compassion to spiritually dead people. The Holy O.T. need no spiritual discernment. It is totally physically discerned. One who soweth to the Holy O.T. soweth to flesh.

The Holy O.T. was divinely given for temporary relevance and temporary use. That is, until 'the dead' become spiritually aware. Then the spiritually aware will naturally, spontaneously and totally drop the Holy O.T. and naturally, spontaneously and totally embrace the Holy KJV N.T.

Is the above portrait, your perception of soweth to flesh and reaping corruption?

Matthews: 25 KJV N.T.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Is the above portrait, your perception of you and yours in the fire, prepared for the devil and his angels?

The above portrait can only be linked to the Holy O.T.

You should be aware that the Holy KJV N.T. is totally and only about Jesus and the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven. This is about becoming 'converted' then discerning the Spirit of Jesus within one's own heart/spirit and being led by this Spirit. This is about 'soweth' to the Spirit. Clearly this information is not in the Holy O.T. The Holy O.T. is about 'soweth' to flesh.

The Holy KJV N.T. says, 'soweth-ing' and the rewards of the two kinds of 'soweth-ing' are as follows:

Galatians: 6 King James Version (KJV)
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

The following is the result of 'soweth' to the Spirit:

Matthews: 25 KJV N.T.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

. . . and indeed, this entire Spirit and soweth to the spirit thing is found only in the Holy KJV N.T. This is a mystery of God's kingdom of heaven which is found only in the Holy KJV N.T. and not at all in the Holy O.T.

You probably thought that the Holy KJV N.T. is a big joke for you to simply distort and corrupt as you please. In fact you seem to be "jokey", generally.

The Holy KJV N.T. says: Moses did not bring truth, he simply gave the Holy O.T., including the ten commandments. Jesus brought truth. The Holy KJV N.T. is the truth:

John: 1 King James Version (KJV)
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

If you want to come onto grace and truth, you have to totally drop Moses business (i.e. the Holy O.T., including the ten commandments, etc.) and totally embrace, esteem, use, promote and invoke only Jesus' business (i.e. the Holy KJV N.T.).

. . . there is still time for you and yours, who are still alive, to change your Holy O.T. ways to the Holy KJV N.T. ways and so remove yourselves from the portrait above.

Nothing can be done for those (your family members, relatives, friends, followers etc.) who have died (already) whiles being under your Holy O.T. ideologies.

 

[Gurucam]

beameup You do not seem to have the slightest clue . . .

beameup You do not seem to have the slightest clue . . .

beameup

You do not seem to have the slightest clue, about what is and what it means to be, Enlightened in Christ. However you dare to present yourself as a teacher.

This is the serious problem stalking Christianity. Millions of spiritually dead people are teaching Christianity. They are all false prophets and false brethren. Whether wittingly or not, they are misleading the billion strong traditional Christians. They are O.T. people, not N.T. people.

Enlightenment in Christ is perfection. This is about a personal actualization/capacity.

Enlightenment in Christ is the end of all suffering and all short comings here on earth and elsewhere. Enlightenment in Christ is about perfect health and perfect harmonious (magical) fulfillment of all desires of one's own spirit, on earth and elsewhere. Actually it is about everything.

This is way, way beyond simply having God given freedom, liberty, justification and instruction to transgress the ten commandments. (which you cannot even yet perceive to be God's righteousness):

Acts: 13 King James Version (KJV)
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

The most important thing about Enlightenment in Christ is that it has absolutely nothing to do with the Holy O.T. or the doctrines in the Holy KJV N.T. or any other Old or New books or any law or canons etc.. Enlightenment in Christ is totally about totally throwing away all of the above things.

Enlightenment in Christ it totally and absolutely about getting information, guidance and instructions directly, privately and intuitively from the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love, through one's own heart or spirit . . . and obeying this information, guidance and instructions unconditionally, even if one has to transgress all laws and doctrines of all Holy Books and all traditions.

Hebrews: 6 King James Version (KJV)
1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

You probably believe that 'enlightenment' was mentioned in the above revelation in the Holy KJV N.T. simply for foolishness . . . i.e. for you to deny and corrupt conveniently, so as to promote what you like.

You clearly do not have a clue about the beauty and absolute supremacy of the above revelation.

The above is the crowning glory of the Lord Jesus. This is the fundamental mystery of God's kingdom of heaven. Nothing like this is mentioned in the Holy O.T.

You are stuck in the the very dark age of the the Holy O.T.. You have, yet, many passages to make (i.e. many hurdles to cross).

The Holy KJV N.T. say: 2000 odd years ago, Jesus did not do away with the Holy O.T.. He left the Holy O.T. for 'the dead to bury their dead'. And He introduced the Holy KJV N.T. for those who choose to follow Him.

These two choices were wide open to all of Abraham's generations.

 

[Gurucam]

Perfection in Christ is enlightenment in Christ.

Perfection in Christ is enlightenment in Christ.

The Holy KJV N.T. say:

Hebrews: 6 King James Version (KJV)
1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

The above revelations in the Holy KJV N.T. say:
1. Perfection is enlightenment.

In order to go onto perfection one has to
1. leave the principles of the doctrine of Christ.
2. not lay any more the foundation of repentance from dead works,
3. not lay any more the doctrine of faith toward God,
4. not lay any more the doctrine of baptisms,
5. not lay any more the doctrine of laying on of hands,
6. not lay any more the doctrine of resurrection of the dead,
7. not lay any more the doctrine of eternal judgment.

One will do the above (drop those things) if it is given by God. (i.e. if one is given by God to know this mystery of God's kingdom of heaven.)

Because it is impossible for those who:
1. have tasted perfection/enlightenment
2. have tasted of the heavenly gift
3. were made partakers of the Holy Ghost
4. have tasted the good word of God
5. have tasted the powers of the world to come

to fall back into
1. the principles of the doctrine of Christ.
2. the foundation of repentance from dead works,
3. the doctrine of faith toward God,
4. the doctrine of laying on of hands,
6. the doctrine of resurrection of the dead,
7. the doctrine of eternal judgment.

Therefore one who is enlightened in Christ, a perfected one, will not be found esteeming, using, promoting and invoking:
1. the principles of the doctrine of Christ.
2. the foundation of repentance from dead works,
3. the doctrine of faith toward God,
4. the doctrine of laying on of hands,
6. the doctrine of resurrection of the dead,
7. the doctrine of eternal judgment.

Enlightenment in Christ is totally free from doctrines, laws, commandments, canons and all such things.

The above points are the totality of the above revelations from the Holy KJV N.T..

 

[Gurucam]

The O.T./Mosaic/Jewish system anchors a religion, not a Spiritual tradition.

The O.T./Mosaic/Jewish system anchors a religion, not a Spiritual tradition.

The O.T./Mosaic/Jewish system anchors a religion.

A religion is a set of wise/divine ideals and laws that are discerned through physical hearing and physical reading. These are given for guiding and managing people who cannot discern things spiritually. Religions are different for different different people at different places and times. Different religions are given for different sets of people, depending on their disposition and lack of awareness.

Religions are not anchored on truth, Truth and Grace. No religion is meant to be permanent. No religion is meant to be the end all for anyone. Religions are simply passages. A human simply esteem, use, promote and invoke a religion until he knows better, then he naturally and spontaneously drops all religions. A person comes to know better by being 'converted'.

To be converted means to awaken to or become aware of, one's own heart/spirit. When this happens one naturally and spontaneously drops all religions and naturally and spontaneously seek communion with the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love.

The Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love is absolutely consistent every where and among all peoples. Among Abraham's generations this Spirit is known as the Spirit of Jesus.

The Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love is the anchor of all Spiritual traditions. All Spiritual traditions know the same thing and are anchored in the same thing. All spiritual traditions are anchored on truth, Truth and Grace.

Religious people perceive religions to be spiritual traditions. They do not know better because they are not spiritually actualized. Religions are not spiritual traditions.

The Spiritual tradition of Abraham's generations is called Christianity. Christianity is anchored on the same eternal and totally consistent Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love. In the Spiritual tradition of Abraham's generation, the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love is called the Spirit of Jesus. This is the Spirit of Enlightenment.

The Holy O.T. anchor a religion among Abraham's generation. The Holy KJV N.T. anchors the Spiritual tradition among Abraham's generations.

The Holy O.T. and the Holy KJV N.T. are totally different things. They are given for different kinds of people. They are not to be mixed. The Holy O.T. and the Holy KJV N.T. cannot be esteemed, used, promoted and/or invokes together. Also, the Holy O.T. and the Holy KJV N.T. cannot be esteemed, used, promoted and/or invoked by anyone at the same time.

For Abraham's generations, Moses gave a religion. Moses did not bring truth, Truth and Grace. Jesus brought truth through the physical words which he delivered privately to only His disciples. And He brought Truth and Grace (none-physically) to those who follow Him in His Spirit only format and connected with His Spirit through each of their own individual hearts or spirit:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

For Abraham's generations, Jesus introduced the universal Spiritual tradition. Jesus brought truth, Truth and Grace.

John: 1 King James Version (KJV)
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Galatians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Acts: 13 King James Version (KJV)
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.


. . . to be continued

 

[Gurucam]

'thou shall not covet' is totally sin and death, it killeth. Christians ignore it.

'thou shall not covet' is totally sin and death, it killeth. Christians ignore it.

. . . of course Christians are not the billions who are called Christians. Christians are a chosen few, the chosen few. They are the chosen few who deliberately transgress the 'thou shall not covet' commandments to as to serve spirit/love.

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. (this is to soweth to the flesh)
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. (this is to soweth to the Spirit)

Galatians: 6 KJV N.T.
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

. . . how much clearer must the above be made?

In the above 'the law of sin' refers to the 'thou shall not covet' commandment. This is one of the ten commandments. It was found to be onto death, it killeth. Also one who esteem, use, promote and/or invoke this commandment bring forth only fruits onto dead (include children of the flesh like Ishmael) and no fruits onto God (i.e. children of God, like Isaac):

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

:idea: :idea: Big news, breaking news. The Holy KJV N.T. say:

People who esteem, use, promote and/or invoke the 'thou shall not covet' commandments do real bad sexual procreation. They bring forth only children of the flesh, like Ishmael.

On the other hand people who transgress the 'thou shall not covet' commandment so as to unconditionally obey spirit/love do some real good sexual procreation. They bring forth only children of God, like Issac.

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh (Ishmael) persecuted him that was born after the Spirit (Isaac), even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son (Ishmael): for the son of the bondwoman (Ishmael) shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman (Isaac).

The Holy KJV N.T. say: the above applies to all the generations of Abraham. Ishmael remained under the Holy O.T. Isaac totally dropped the Holy O.T. and totally embraced the Holy KJV N.T.

The Holy KJV N.T. say: All who are like Ishmael will be cast out. All who are like Isaac will inherit.

Luke: 13 King James Version (KJV)
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

The above is totally supported by:

Galatians: 6 King James Version (KJV)
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Matthews: 21 KJV N.T.
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof (i.e. fruits onto God).

This is the last call for misguided people of Abraham's generations to get things right.

 

[Gurucam]

This is a perspective from the Holy KJV N.T., about praying 5 times a day.

This is a perspective from the Holy KJV N.T., about praying 5 times a day.

This is a perspective from the Holy KJV N.T., about praying 5 times a day.

Pray is a form of meditation. It is a form of seeking ye first the kingdom of heaven within.

Pray can be use by people who are seeking to be converted. In the Holy KJV N.T., to be converted is simply the act of becoming aware of or awakened to, one's own heart/spirit.

Pray is also a way of communing with the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love, through one's own heart/spirit. This is possible only after one is converted.

By achieving this communion, wisdom and guidance from the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love becomes infused into one's own spirit/heart.

Different people pray with different frequencies. Some people do not pray. Some people pray only one day of the week. Some pray on mornings and evenings, every day. And indeed some pray five times a day. Other pray more often.

Pray is a science. It is an attempt to become functional in the spirit realm. This is to be converted. Pray is also an attempt to function in the spirit realm which is the field of all possibilities. In the latter case, pray is the art and science of infusing wisdom and guidance from the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love into one's own spirit/heart.

However, to pray effectively and successfully one must have and use an informed technique for pray. Meditation is a more advance technique.

Loving Muslims who pray five times a day certainly know and do something, very special.

Clearly their prophet, rest his soul, saw it necessary for those people (who he came among) to get very regular infusion of wisdom and guidance from the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love. And so he left this practice for them.

This seem to be a path to being converted (becoming spiritually aware) and achieving communion with Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love through one's own spirit/heart.

Clearly then this is pleasing to the Lord Jesus. The question is are traditional Christians doing some thing similar that is pleasing to the Lord Jesus.

I am seeking to use the Islam practice of praying five times a day to awaken traditional Christians to something that is fundamental to Christianity but ignored by traditional Christians.

I refer to being converted (being spiritually awakened) and then having very regular communion with the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love through each of their own heart/spirit.

If anything at all, I know only the most elementary things about Islam. I seek here to only offer praise to a tradition which seem anchored in praying five times a day. I have witness the calmness, peacefulness and goodness of Muslims who pray five times a day. Of course there are those who are not like this.

 

[Rosenritter]

Dear Ross,

I do know what you meant and I know what you told Jose. My argument isn't dumb. When God created the Earth, it was 1 day old. It just came with all the trimmings. It also only received one day of sunshine. It had only one continent or land mass. He changed that later to include many continents, islands, etc. He created many continents by moving tectonic plates beneath them, and plates crashing into each other to create mountains, etc. I would suggest that some of the islands are from under-ocean volcanoes. When Adam was tested for his age, he was older {like 16 or 18 years old}, but he was one day old, of course. When the Earth is tested for it's age, it is older, but one day old. etc. When a Rooster or Chicken is tested for it's age, it is older than an egg. When a cow is tested for it's age, it is older. When a fruit tree is tested for it's age in the Garden of Eden, it is older, not a sapling at all, but a tree bearing fruit already. When God creates something, it is to HIS LIKING, not necessarily what seems logical to us. He is far more advanced than you give Him credit for. If He wants a Garden of Eden to be five days old and equips it with older plants and trees bearing fruit, then He has what He creates. This is what I've learned, but I will not tell you how I know. You wouldn't believe me anyway. It's okay to agree to disagree.

May God Always Be With Your Soul,

Michael

Your rephrasing sounds more reasonable. Your claim that you know it was GOD who spoke to you cause "only God can affect storms and weather" is disproved and dangerous wrong. Who is the "Prince of the Power of the Air" and what did Satan use to kill Job's children in the book of Job?

 

[MichaelCadry]

Your rephrasing sounds more reasonable. Your claim that you know it was GOD who spoke to you cause "only God can affect storms and weather" is disproved and dangerous wrong. Who is the "Prince of the Power of the Air" and what did Satan use to kill Job's children in the book of Job?

Dear Ross,

Only God can create wind, storms, etc. He does it by coming against Satan's spirit, and demons, which are in the air. Satan did not create the wind that killed Job's children, but he was the cause of it. God granted that to him at the time. It is the same as where it is written in Rev. 13:13KJV, "And he {the false prophet} doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire {lightning} come down from Heaven on the Earth in the sight of men." It is no power that the false prophet had {what the false prophet was doing was the reason/cause that the fire came down from Heaven}, but rather what God created {the lightning} that was sent against him. If you don't understand this, then there is no better way that I can explain it. You will have to wait until you can ask God when you see Him. The false prophet's name is Jean-Pierre Girard, a Frenchman, who came exhibiting the same powers/abilities as Uri Geller, an Israeli, before him, doing 'miracles' by concentrating with his mind and using his right hand. Explaining that is another chapter. Read my book. I've mentioned how to read my book for FREE a number of times on this website. If you need directions on how to do it again, just let me know. I can't retype it all every time I make mention of it, because it takes a lot of explanation. I will tell you now. To get a FREE read of my book, go to my website at www.jesusreturningverysoon.com and you will see a pic of Jesus {like my Avatar}. On the left side of it, left-click on the words "Book Copy" and then left-click on the words "SKU-text.pdf"

The Title Page of my book will come up on the third page. The first two pages are blank and are for autographs and readers' notes. You can skim through the pages using your up and down arrow cursor keys on your keyboard. On some keyboards, you have to use your left and right arrow cursor keys. The book is an easy read from your computer screen. If you like, you can download it to your computer or printer, and print a copy out for yourself. I used simple language, as God instructed me to, and the pages are double-spaced and petite pages, so it reads fast. It is good to look up any Scriptural References I mention, in the Bible, so that you can understand better. Okay, that does it. Any problems, let me know.

Much Love, In Jesus Christ,

Michael

 

[Caino]

 

[Rosenritter]

Dear Ross,

Only God can create wind, storms, etc. He does it by coming against Satan's spirit, and demons, which are in the air. Satan did not create the wind that killed Job's children, but he was the cause of it. God granted that to him at the time. It is the same as where it is written in Rev. 13:13KJV, "And he {the false prophet} doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire {lightning} come down from Heaven on the Earth in the sight of men." It is no power that the false prophet had {what the false prophet was doing was the reason/cause that the fire came down from Heaven}, but rather what God created {the lightning} that was sent against him. If you don't understand this, then there is no better way that I can explain it. You will have to wait until you can ask God when you see Him. The false prophet's name is Jean-Pierre Girard, a Frenchman, who came exhibiting the same powers/abilities as Uri Geller, an Israeli, before him, doing 'miracles' by concentrating with his mind and using his right hand. Explaining that is another chapter. Read my book. I've mentioned how to read my book for FREE a number of times on this website. If you need directions on how to do it again, just let me know. I can't retype it all every time I make mention of it, because it takes a lot of explanation. I will tell you now. To get a FREE read of my book, go to my website at www.jesusreturningverysoon.com and you will see a pic of Jesus {like my Avatar}. On the left side of it, left-click on the words "Book Copy" and then left-click on the words "SKU-text.pdf"

The Title Page of my book will come up on the third page. The first two pages are blank and are for autographs and readers' notes. You can skim through the pages using your up and down arrow cursor keys on your keyboard. On some keyboards, you have to use your left and right arrow cursor keys. The book is an easy read from your computer screen. If you like, you can download it to your computer or printer, and print a copy out for yourself. I used simple language, as God instructed me to, and the pages are double-spaced and petite pages, so it reads fast. It is good to look up any Scriptural References I mention, in the Bible, so that you can understand better. Okay, that does it. Any problems, let me know.

Much Love, In Jesus Christ,

Michael

The outstanding problem is that Moses already said to ignore prophets that gave false predictions, and your rationalizations are expecting me accept what you say against scriptural statements. As such, I am not willing to forsake biblical revelation for your revelation.

 

[MichaelCadry]

The outstanding problem is that Moses already said to ignore prophets that gave false predictions, and your rationalizations are expecting me accept what you say against scriptural statements. As such, I am not willing to forsake biblical revelation for your revelation.

Dear Rosenritter,

I don't quite understand all that you are saying. Perhaps you left a word out or something. Ross, I'm not asking you to forsake biblical revelation. I'm just telling you like it is. You can believe whatever you want. There's no one to stop you. It doesn't mean that you are right, regardless. See what time's passing has in store for you; whether I'm telling the truth or not. That is how you discern a prophecy to be of God or not. This is written in the Bible. By the way, God created wind, rain, thunder, lightning, earthquakes, etc. It is written, "Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place..." {See Isaiah 13:13KJV}. Also, God says "I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace and create evil; I the Lord do all these things." {See Isaiah 45:7KJV}. God creates EVERYTHING, including the wind and thunder, etc. Since God creates everything, He creates the wind; not Satan. God creates peace and evil, and wind; not Satan. You just don't get the point. The Lord blew the wind for the devil, because He gave Satan the permission. Wherever there is too much evil, God will cause a great wind, or a tornado, a hurricane, and a blizzard. Do you actually think that Satan does all these things.

May God Help You Reason And See!!

Michael

 

[MichaelCadry]

Well spoken. I will now share something. I am in-between moves from one house to another and the computer stations were not first on the list for assembly. Finishing the move before the end of the month is, so as much as I might like to type elegantly with one thumb on a cell phone the response is limited. It is not "beating around the bush" but rather sparse time and an exhausted thumb.

Dear Rosenritter,

I'll try not to post much to you, seeing you have no computer. Why the negative responses? Don't you think that Jesus will return soon? You don't seem to agree that we are living in the latter days? See what happens, Ross!

Praise The Lord God, The Lord Jesus,
And The Holy Ghost!!

Michael

 

[Rosenritter]

Dear Rosenritter,

I'll try not to post much to you, seeing you have no computer. Why the negative responses? Don't you think that Jesus will return soon? You don't seem to agree that we are living in the latter days? See what happens, Ross!

Praise The Lord God, The Lord Jesus,
And The Holy Ghost!!

Michael

Luke 21:8 KJV
And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

Not everyone who comes in the name of Christ or who acknowledges Jesus as Christ is a true prophet. Whomever has given you your visions did not make them come to pass and didn't make them align with scripture. "Go ye not after them" he said.

 

[MichaelCadry]

Luke 21:8 KJV
And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

Not everyone who comes in the name of Christ or who acknowledges Jesus as Christ is a true prophet. Whomever has given you your visions did not make them come to pass and didn't
make them align with scripture. "Go ye not after them" he said.

Dear Rosenritter,

Wow, are you off base. You want to knock it out of the park, eh?? I'll be damned if I'm going to have some upstart whippersnapper tell me my business and still provide them a vehicle to be heard regardless of the fact that they are dead wrong about me or my motives. I have been weighing whether to keep this thread open or closed for a while now. It takes a lot of effort on my part. You don't know what you are talking about. A false prophet, I am not, to put it mildly to you. You haven't the slightest idea of what you are talking about. To hell with you!! A false prophet does not profess to love both God and Jesus, AND the Holy Ghost to boot. You are dead wrong. Go spread that crap on someone else' thread. You're not doing it here!! I will have plenty of time to do what I want to do rather than build you a home to nest in. Get lost!! We'll see whom God is with and whom He is not!! I have not spent the last 42 years of my life working for God for nothing!! Say Goodbye, now!!! Maybe you can move over to the Urantia Book thread, eh??

May God NOT Bless The Fruits Of Your Works,

Michael

 

[Krsto]

In the strictest sense, agreed. And there is no evidence from history to suggest the church prior to 150 AD was unitarian... or arian... or sabellian... or anything else cohesive in an actual formulaic beyond general perceptions.

There IS evidence that the earliest Patristics affirmed the divinity of Christ (and more than in a titular sense only), and with consideration for the Holy Spirit.

And the New Testament lexicography is much clearer than detractors can admit regarding the true divinity of the Son. A divine God as Father would not have a Logos that wasn't eternal and uncreated and divine as He is AS Spirit (also eternal and uncreated and divine).

My formulaic reconciles ALL the emergent historical views. All omitted the same thing, and were compensating for that one omission.

I think the general perception was Unitarian. Jesus was a deified human, not a humanized deity. The Logos was a thought that became a person, not a person that changed into another god/man person.

 

[Krsto]

Jesus and his apostles never became Christians. There was never a time of Christian Monotheists. The Church was risen already trinitarian. Paul was always Trinitarian,
from the day he founded Christianity. (Acts 11:26) Don't forget that he himself fabricated the idea, not only of the Trinity as well as for the resurrection of Jesus; including that he had been the individual Messiah. (II Tim. 2:8)

The Encyclopedia of Religion states:

“Theologians today are in agreement that the Hebrew Bible does not contain a doctrine of the Trinity. In the immediate post New Testament period of the Apostolic Fathers no attempt was made to work out the God-Christ (Father-Son) relationship in ontological terms.”

They didn’t have anything to work out because they weren’t thinking of God being more than one person. Jesus was not in the godhead per later Trinitarian theology, but rather the godhead was in Jesus, according to Col. 2:9: “For in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.”

Regarding New Testament times, the New Catholic Encyclopedia says:

“The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title THE TRINITARIAN DOGMA. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”

The Apostolic Fathers were those who immediately followed the Apostles between 90 and 130 AD. Some of them were trained by the Apostles.

Jesus and all of the apostles were strict Monotheists before Jesus began his ministry. After Jesus established a following among Jews, and after he was crucified, they were still considered to be a Jewish sect. They continued to be strict Jewish Monotheists – who followed Christ. When they recited the Shema, they didn’t think in their minds, “The Lord thy God is 3 in 1.” God was not 3 until much later. He was just one. Period.

In order to get to a point in the 4th century when people thought of God as three persons they would first need a developed Logos Christology and think of Jesus as an eternal person of the godhead. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia,

“The Apostolic Fathers do not touch on the theology of the logos; a short notice occurs in St. Ignatius only (Ad Magn. viii, 2).”

Later, by 200 AD, instead of Shema-reciting Jewish Christians dominating the church as was the case for the first 150 years of the church it was non-Jewish Christians dominating who had been quite accustomed to Greek and Roman polytheism. Someone like Tertullian could introduce modalistic ideas of God manifesting himself with three faces, without much objection.

He would have faced a lot of objections in the first century.

 

[redfern]

If it's any comfort Michael, … How would you feel if you were banned from a thread?

Hmmm… Michael banned?? Now that’s an idea worth considering. I’ll buy you (and Sherman) a steak dinner if you ban Cadry from this thread for, say, 1 year. If you are hesitant, maybe we can dig DavisBJ out of the woodwork and (since technically the thread was given to him long ago), and let him do the dirty deed.

I can just see Cadry, in spite of his claim that he could care less, he would be kicking and scratching and hollering at the door to this thread, trying to get in. He could “look in the window”, and see us discussing whether his failed rapture prophecy was just a minor oopsie or a major screwup.

 

[patrick jane]

Hmmm… Michael Banned?? Now that’s an idea worth considering. I’ll buy you (and Sherman) a steak dinner if you ban Cadry from this thread for, say, 1 year. If you are hesitant, maybe we can dig DavisBJ out of the woodwork and (since technically the thread was given to him long ago), and let him do the dirty deed.

I can just see Cadry, in spite of his claim that he could care less, he would be kicking and scratching and hollering at the door to this thread, trying to get in. He could “look in the window”, and see us discussing whether his failed rapture prophecy was just a minor oopsie or a major screwup.

The rapture is a fact of the Bible. All atheists need to read seriously the epistles of Paul, Romans thru Hebrews, and read it as if it's fact because it is.

Revelation 3:10 KJV - Matthew 24:30-31 KJV -


Pilippians 3:20-21 KJV - Romans 8:18-19 KJV -


Daniel 12:1 KJV - Daniel 12:2 KJV -


1 Corinthians 15:51-52 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:53 KJV -


1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJV - 1 Thessalonians 4:18 KJV -


Luke 17:34-35 KJV - Luke 17:36-37 KJV -


Mark 13:25-27 KJV - Revelation 20:4-5 KJV - Revelation 11:15-19 KJV -

 

[MichaelCadry]

Hmmm… Michael banned?? Now that’s an idea worth considering. I’ll buy you (and Sherman) a steak dinner if you ban Cadry from this thread for, say, 1 year. If you are hesitant, maybe we can dig DavisBJ out of the woodwork and (since technically the thread was given to him long ago), and let him do the dirty deed.

I can just see Cadry, in spite of his claim that he could care less, he would be kicking and scratching and hollering at the door to this thread, trying to get in. He could “look in the window”, and see us discussing whether his failed rapture prophecy was just a minor oopsie or a major screwup.

Dear redfern,

Boy, you'll try anything to mock me, eh? Patrick Jane told me that he would never give this thread to an atheist. He DIDN'T KNOW that DavisBJ was an atheist when he offered the thread to him. Quite expected, DavisBJ didn't mention it to Patrick Jane. Isn't that special?!! I said that my thread shall NEVER be owned by an atheist!! That is the reason that I stepped in. So now, you know! I suppose, of course, that you are an atheist too, eh?? YES!!

I do think the mutual respect that Sherman and I have for each other isn't compromised by a steak dinner. You just wish I'd leave because I am a danger to you. Maybe if you all chip in and gave Sherman a thousand dollars, it might be possible, but I digress, and doubt it too highly. Some of us have principles. But if so, then I would go, but I would not be dying to get back in. I have TONS of other things to do reaching other people in different countries.

I got all of this banning stuff from DavisBJ, in the first place. I don't resort to banning unless absolutely necessary. I'm tired of your fluff, redfern. You are most likely in league with them fervently, and are as bad as they are.

I'm tired of this. I have other things to tend to. Sherman has more integrity than you, by far. If Sherman would take a thousand dollars, then I would not mind Sherman banning me for a year. Though this thread will go down the tubes. Too many atheists thinking evil thoughts that Satan gives to their minds and ears to hear. Get thee behind me, Satan!

I did wrongly say that the Lord would be returning during a certain time, because there were four Total Lunar Eclipses in two consecutive years. On the last fourth one, I and others thought, wow, this is it!! The Total Lunar Eclipse can signal the Rapture, and I was not the only one who made the grave error. Many religious organizations claimed the same thing. It was a very rare occurrence, to put it mildly, and all lunar eclipses could be seen by the USA!

I was wrong and the Lord told me it was to teach me to never say when it will be, even if I wasn't naming a day or time/hour, because even I am not suppose to know which season He shall Return, for no one knows except God Himself. Even Jesus does not know when. I thought I was right, but I have paid dearly since. This is also what DavisBJ keeps bringing up against me, over and over, even though I have apologized for the mistake profusely. He won't accept my apology. I think that says something ill about him, but whatever! Most people would accept someone's profuse apology about an issue. I'm done.

Michael

 

[Danoh]

Trade a few of them for those good Muslims wanting a better life in the U.S. - that should rattle many of the other addicts to shape up or ship out.