Okay Cobra. You just seem to be unwilling to open your mind, but I am determinted to drag you down this discussion's path.
I will bold my questions, and provide your answers in quote format. Ready? Let's progress.
1.)
Let's start with this. How do you know what Christ said, taught, and did?
What does the scripture say: “Only on the evidence of two or three witnesses shall a charge be sustained.”
We have four witnesses, the gospels. We have four separate sources which testify.
You really don't want to say that the Scriptures are your source of information on Jesus, do you? I speculate that is because you know that it is illogical to rely on errant source material.
Also, you took that verse completely out of context. You are also relying on specific details, rather than the overall message. How paradoxical of you.
2.)
I don't know everything. I never claimed to. The difference between us is that I know with certainty where to place my faith and trust.
If you mean you are certain that you should put your trust in the man-made tradition of the doctrine of inerrancy, then your certainty is based on man’s claims. We are never called to have faith in man’s theories, especially theories that can be shown false just by comparing one gospel to another.
Oooh, so quick with the witty takedown. But this is akin to a strawman argument. You immediately allude to me placing trust in "man-made tradition," then attack that; despite me never having said that.
Yes, I do trust in the inerrant nature of Scripture. Because I trust in Jesus and the Apostles.
I am sure that you don't rely on any man-made doctrines, like faith alone.
3.)
But these things matter, according to your post, 158. So, shouldn't we need to know?
See, how your first post contradicts this most recent one. You say, these things matter, but then say, "These minor details have no affect on the overall message of God for mankind." Which is it? Do they matter or not?
The minor details should matter to any honest person when considering the false doctrine of biblical inerrancy. They should not matter in recognizing Jesus for who He is.
How do you know who Jesus is?
I know you want an inerrant Bible. I know many pretend they have an inerrant Bible. God never promised us a perfect book.
Really? How about 2 Timothy 3? Can Scripture be "God-breathed," and erroneous? That would mean that God is imperfect. So, either God's breathed Word is in error, or you are.
4.)
We will get to inerrant doctrine, once we follow down the path of believing what Christ said/taught/did. Trust me. That is my goal.
Provide answers worthy of trust. Did Jesus tell the disciples to bring one animal or two? Which gospel misquotes Jesus? If you don’t know, just admit that at least one misquotes Jesus and thereby take an stand worthy of beginning trust.
Ouch. I need some aloe for that burn. Except that you just skirted around the altering of the question. You ask me to "just admit." Why don't you "just admit" that you altered the question halfway through? I had been saying that the contextual point of the passage was what mattered more than the specific details, but now you are claiming that that was your argument all along? If I need, I can go back and list each post again in order to accurately prove this, inerrantly.
I agree. Your question was not about what they carried, just the specific number.
No, my question was about what Jesus told them. You are not being trustworthy
See? Your tactic in the last two responses has been to continuously claim that questions have been avoided, despite your revisions of your questions. And now, you resort to attacks on character.
Then, you changed it to which is better to believe. At least here, you say that you think Mark is correct in his numbering, and not Luke. Glad we can move on.
Move on when you have taken the untrustworthy step of pretending my questions were not about what Jesus said? If you believe the Bible is the inerrant, God-breathed Word of God, shouldn’t the words of Jesus be accurately recorded?
Again, you just attack character, insist that your query hasn't been answered or changed, then avoid any of my questions, "like a leper."
5.)
Wait, let us go back and review what you said: "These minor details have no affect on the overall message of God for mankind." So, why continue to ask about it?
Because the errors have a destroying effect on the false doctrine of inerrancy, a doctrine not found in the Bible.
So, numerological errors render the entire Bible errant? That is the posit you are making, correct?
Then how do you know what Jesus said/taught/did with any certainty or accuracy, if the only two sources of such information are the Bible and the Traditions of the Church, both of which you claim are man-made, thus unreliable?
I applaud you for sticking to your assumptions, despite it being against the grain of accepted Christian teachings. However, you have not provided sufficient evidence of your position. You claim the Bible is not inerrant. Logically, that renders it errant. Your only submitted evidence is three instances of specific details not agreeing completely. Literally, one of those is about whether or not the Apostles were told to carry a staff. A small specific detail not in complete agreement with a parallel text does not negate inerrant doctrine, logically. I can use modern examples if you wish to prove my point (But then again, you will just insist that it was your point later on). Also, if you posit that you do not trust "man-made" doctrines, such as inerrancy, you need to provide how you know what Jesus said/taught/did, from a reliable, inerrant source. Otherwise, you are basing your knowledge of Jesus on erroneous material, making your knowledge unreliable.
If true, will not be going that direction with them. Joshua 24:15
