ClimateSanity
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Fox news???? Hardly conservative anymore.....thanks to the incessant attacks that have driven ailes and O'Reilly and others out. They even attempted to drive hannity out. They drove Eric bolling out too.
Roy Moore, OJ Simpson, And why I don't believe you.
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Times change. There comes a tipping point where the old norm falls and a new norm takes its place. In this case, something changed with the Harvey Weinstein allegations and now people are feeling like they are finally able to discuss what used to be considered a taboo topic, especially when dealing with people of fame or power. Frankly, I tend to believe the accusers. It seems that people who rise to power often have this sense of entitlement that makes them think that they can get away with whatever they want sexually. Clinton did. Trump did. And I think people have had enough.
ClimateSanity
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This is no longer complicated. Roy Moore says the yearbook signature is not his. Allred and the accuser insist it is. It needs to be analyzed by a group of independent handwriting experts immediately. If the signature is his then he is lying and he needs to get out - period. If it is not his, then someone has gone through a lot of trouble to forge a signature and torpedo an election in its final hours. In that case he stays and this turns into a criminal investigation. If either side resists this solution then that in itself is highly suspect. Problem solved. Now lets move forward...
If you look at it, you don't need an expert. There are two different hands there. It was signed with the letters D.
A. after the name. He was only an assistant DA at the time and wouldn't have used that term anyway. He was involved in some way in the accuser's divorce, which was signed by Moore's assistant then initialed by her. The initials stand for her name. The signature was obviously copied from the woman's divorce papers. Fishy? What? Allred is involved, of course.
Two commenters on the authenticity of the yearbook signature.
MSM is blowing off the issue as irrelevant and bizarre. That tells you all you need to know about whether to believe these partisan hacks so called news.
If you look at it, you don't need an expert. There are two different hands there. It was signed with the letters D.
A. after the name. He was only an assistant DA at the time and wouldn't have used that term anyway. He was involved in some way in the accuser's divorce, which was signed by Moore's assistant then initialed by her. The initials stand for her name. The signature was obviously copied from the woman's divorce papers. Fishy? What? Allred is involved, of course.
Two commenters on the authenticity of the yearbook signature.
MSM is blowing off the issue as irrelevant and bizarre. That tells you all you need to know about whether to believe these partisan hacks so called news.
ClimateSanity
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An attorney for GOP Alabama Senate candidate Judge Roy Moore revealed Gloria Allred accuser Beverly Young Nelson lied when she said no contact had been made between the Judge and herself following the alleged sexual advancement in 1977.
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My point was that YOUR take on Wizard's apparantly having inadvertently reversed the intended order of those two words, does not appear to be what Wizard may have meant.
Well, that isn't what happened. Because Roy Moore was leading in an election for an important Senate seat, the Washington Post started digging into his background. They learned of old accusations that were not secret, but that were not widely known outside Gadsden. And they contacted the women and their friends for confirmation, leading them to run an article with 30 sources, all on the record. The first round of women didn't "come forward" all of a sudden. They picked up the phone when the Washington Post called. Later, additional women came forward, bolstered by the stories of others that had been brought to light.
It all makes a lot more sense when you actually get the story straight.
Also, the pattern for these harrassment stories against prominent people is that a small number of cases come to light, and that triggers a torrent.
There are inconsistencies on both sides.
There are inconsistencies with Moore's statement in his interview with Sean Hannity.
He first said he did not recall ever dating an underage girl, and later said that he would never have dated an underage girl unless their mother agreed to it and that her mother not only agreed to it but encouraged her daughter to go out with him.
And as you have pointed out, the signature is inconsistent with Moore's signature.
So yeah, I too would like to see how these inconsistencies are rectified on both sides.
Roy Moore has been in office for years and the Washington Post has know about his background for years.
It's not his background that is suspicious (they already knew), it is the timing of bringing it to national attention that smacks of politics.
Fool is not questioning whether one that is a child molester should be prosecuted.
Fool agrees with that.
Fool is questioning, as many others are, the timing of their concern for political gain.
We all know how folks will keep information to themselves until there comes a time that revealing that info will benefit them and hurt the other side.
Silent for years UNTIL it can be of use politically.
Politics is being questioned, not child molestation.
nikolai_42
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Actually, McConnell has quite a bit to lose if Moore wins. Someone as outspoken as Moore (and as clearly right wing) threatens what is a predominantly establishment set of elected representatives. McConnell backed Moore's opponent in the primary. The reason Moore is even a viable candidate is the same reason Trump was put in office. So this is clearly big for McConnell.
I don't know if Moore is guilty, but all I've heard is second and third hand innuendo. Nothing concrete. The allegations by the women are conveniently very old. Why let him even get this far? Why not make an issue of it at the primary if this is all such common knowledge? Because it isn't very visible. So this is clearly intended to publicly bring down someone who many Republicans don't want elected. Again...justified or not? I don't know but it all seems too much like suggestion playing on the fact that those on the left (and middle, I suspect) don't like Moore at all. They would like nothing more than to prove him a hypocrite.
So I would personally like to have McConnell answer one question - does he believe the women who accused George Bush? Why not make a statement to that effect if this is really about the abuse of power in the Republican party?
The Signature
The Signature
1. The 1977 Yearbook has a loop in the first downward stroke of the letter “R.” The actual signature does not.
2. The middle of the uppercase “R” is mangled, and does not meet with the second upward stroke, as it does with the actual signature.
3. The lowercase “y” has a large loop. The actual signature does not.
4. The closing stroke of the signature with the letter “y” extends outward. The letter “y” in the actual signature extends upward, loops and then goes downward, after crossing the first loop of the uppercase “R” twice.
5. The starting point begins at the top arch of the uppercase “M” and then loops before creating the first arch. In the actual signature, the starting point begins below the first arch, and does not have a loop.
6. There is not a tail on the closing stroke of the uppercase “M.” In the actual signature, there is a tail.
7. The first “o” is larger than the second “o.” In the actual signature, the second “o” is larger than the first “o.”
8. The “e” in the 1977 year book signature has a small loop. The “e” in the actual signature has a large loop.Secondly, we will compare the “Olde Hickory House” to his printed name.
9. The “e” is clearly different and has a starting point below the line, then loops. The actual printed “e” directly beings with the loop.
10. The lowercase “r” is uppercase. In the actual printed writing, the “r” is clearly lowercase.
11. The “y” has a curved dip. The actual printed “y” has a sharp angled stroke.
12. The “o” is opened on the right. In the actual printed writing, the “o” is indented on the left and closed.
Pic of signatures in spoiler:
The Signature
1. The 1977 Yearbook has a loop in the first downward stroke of the letter “R.” The actual signature does not.
2. The middle of the uppercase “R” is mangled, and does not meet with the second upward stroke, as it does with the actual signature.
3. The lowercase “y” has a large loop. The actual signature does not.
4. The closing stroke of the signature with the letter “y” extends outward. The letter “y” in the actual signature extends upward, loops and then goes downward, after crossing the first loop of the uppercase “R” twice.
5. The starting point begins at the top arch of the uppercase “M” and then loops before creating the first arch. In the actual signature, the starting point begins below the first arch, and does not have a loop.
6. There is not a tail on the closing stroke of the uppercase “M.” In the actual signature, there is a tail.
7. The first “o” is larger than the second “o.” In the actual signature, the second “o” is larger than the first “o.”
8. The “e” in the 1977 year book signature has a small loop. The “e” in the actual signature has a large loop.Secondly, we will compare the “Olde Hickory House” to his printed name.
9. The “e” is clearly different and has a starting point below the line, then loops. The actual printed “e” directly beings with the loop.
10. The lowercase “r” is uppercase. In the actual printed writing, the “r” is clearly lowercase.
11. The “y” has a curved dip. The actual printed “y” has a sharp angled stroke.
12. The “o” is opened on the right. In the actual printed writing, the “o” is indented on the left and closed.
Pic of signatures in spoiler:
Spoiler
WizardofOz
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If the GOP establishment rejects Moore, they almost guarantee a democrat win. McConnell has an important senate seat to lose which will hinder GOP agendas in the senate. If Moore loses, McConnell loses a bit of power.
Sure.
But molestation has not.
It's not more abhorrent now than it was then.
There have always been victims that speak up.
Neither party disagreed that molestation was not abhorrent or that no one should speak up.
But depending on which party side you were on, the response and spin on that info was vastly different to achieve favor for their party candidate, not the victim.
The only time you see a party throw one of their own under the bus is when it can bolster the perspective approval ratings of their party to citizens.
Otherwise, they look the other way of any misdeeds.
Now, it appears that a democrat was sexually assaulting women in the same manner that Trump has.
Sen. Al Franken apologized on Thursday after Los Angeles TV broadcaster Leeann Tweeden accused him of sexual harassment.
https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...arly-intended-to-be-funny-but-wasnt/23279768/
Yes, he admitted it and apologized, so he's not like Trump or Moore. The lady was an adult, so he's not like Moore.
But there's no place for this kind of thing.
I'd say he's in bigger trouble than Moore, since Franken has to face Minnesota voters and Moore's pedophilia has yet to turn most Alabama voters against him.
Sen. Al Franken apologized on Thursday after Los Angeles TV broadcaster Leeann Tweeden accused him of sexual harassment.
https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...arly-intended-to-be-funny-but-wasnt/23279768/
Yes, he admitted it and apologized, so he's not like Trump or Moore. The lady was an adult, so he's not like Moore.
But there's no place for this kind of thing.
I'd say he's in bigger trouble than Moore, since Franken has to face Minnesota voters and Moore's pedophilia has yet to turn most Alabama voters against him.
ClimateSanity
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What makes you think McConnell cares about a Democrat win? It much more important to him that an anti establishment guy and evangelical church like Moore loses......no what what. A Democrat win is acceptable because the threat Moore poses is much more hurtful to McConnell than what a Democrat senator can do. McConnell wants somebody that will cooperate and play ball....not someone who will actually fight the liberal agenda like Moore.
This is the kind of coming forward that we need. Franken is not facing an Election in less than a month. Time to verify (which was easy because there's pictures), he confessed, apologized, and she accepted the apology. Should be water under the bridge (unless there's others) but you're right that it is Minnesota and they're pretty straight laced.
WizardofOz
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You sound like Ed Henry
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What did you think of the interview?
30 sources but no proof. Where's the proof? Give me some proof. You're not going to get rid of this guy without proof. The 14 year old is the most compelling, phone records? that should be easy. Phone records showing Moore called her house on these occasions that she claims?
While it is true that Franken's behavior was inexcusable, his straightforward admission and apology show wisdom and perhaps charactter. If Trump or Moore or Weinstein had done this from the start, they'd probably not be as despised as they are.
Although it's probably true that on one-time lapse in behavior is more understandable than a pattern of abuse such as we see in the other three.