We are dead to the law because it has been abolished. Just like the scripture says, Ephesians 2:15.
Living by laws, rules, is like feeding a dead horse.
Robert's Gospel According to the Apostle Paul
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We are dead to the law because it has been abolished. Just like the scripture says, Ephesians 2:15.
Living by laws, rules, is like feeding a dead horse.
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Ephesians 2:15 is referring to our DEBT to the law and not the law itself.
I don't "live by the law", I live by grace.
beloved57
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You believe Christ dying for sins didnt save those He died for.
Lol...and LOL
Good to know...your fruits will reveal if you live more like He did or less...
Teach as He did or less...
Or do you suppose you can live by grace contrary to what He taught or demonstrated?
I know just kidding...I know none of that applies to yours...
You live however you please and as the world does even and as you did before grace...not even sure why the Spirit needs guiding you...
Habitual liar. I've given you chapter, verse, for years, as have others, you filthy deceiver, expounding on them, but you, satanically, either ignore them, delete them, or substitute "Pate-ianity" words, for biblical words, add words, and just spam verses in isolation, with no explanation, you satan worshiper.
Want to see the verse I posted to you, devil follower, that you, on record, delete?
Come on Pate-do you?
Not a peep, from the Christ rejector.
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Did he die for our sins,Pate? Yes, or no? And when?
Ok so...when little baby Bobby was born you were born a Christian? Dead to the law? Cuz you claim the Law was dead since the cross...and if so...you realize you don’t need a Savior right? As you are born sinless because there is no Law left to point it out to you or your need for a savior...
Therefore there is NO need for baby Bobby to be reborn...
You just lied, again, habitual liar.
Tell us how you say that you sin, when there is no sin debt to be incurred by you, since, according to you, there is no longer God's holy law in existence, it being destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago, which defines sin, and thus the resulting sin debt, and penalty.
Tell us how Christ can die for your/our sins, if there is no law, it being made void, defining the sin, and resulting sin debt, penalty?
ANSWER, Pate.
Tell us why you deny that Christ was our substitute, taking our judgement, condemnation in our place, denying substitutionary atonement, and instead assert, satanically, that he destroyed the law, so that he need not die in our place, taking our judgment, condemnation, as there is no condemnation, judgement, for which he must die, as there is no law.
Ummm...so if you are in Him that cancels your debt ONCE and forever yes? and now you remain in Him...you now no longer need grace as you no longer sin or acquire further debt...being dead to the law...
So technically your claim is wrong...you live IN Him by a one time grace gift and NOT BY grace...needing daily forgiveness
you don’t even need the Spirit to quide you either...as it don’t matter where you go or what you do whenever...
Tell us how you say that you sin, when there is no sin debt to be incurred by you, since, according to you, there is no longer God's holy law in existence, it being destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago, which defines sin, and thus the resulting sin debt, and penalty.
Tell us how Christ can die for your/our sins, if there is no law, it being made void, defining the sin, and resulting sin debt, penalty?
ANSWER, Pate.
Tell us why you deny that Christ was our substitute, taking our judgement, condemnation in our place, denying substitutionary atonement, and instead assert, satanically, that he destroyed the law, so that he need not die in our place, taking our judgment, condemnation, as there is no condemnation, judgement, for which he must die, as there is no law.
Tell us how Christ can die for your/our sins, if there is no law, it being made void, defining the sin, and resulting sin debt, penalty?
ANSWER, Pate.
Tell us why you deny that Christ was our substitute, taking our judgement, condemnation in our place, denying substitutionary atonement, and instead assert, satanically, that he destroyed the law, so that he need not die in our place, taking our judgment, condemnation, as there is no condemnation, judgement, for which he must die, as there is no law.
I am tired of showing you scripture. You don't believe the Bible, so what's the sense?
You have no understanding because you have not been born again by the word of God, 1 Peter 1:23.
Spiritually dead as a rock.
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Evasion, spin, you deceiver, as you spam that to everyone, that disagrees with you, offering no explanation, but to just spam isolated verses, and refuse to answer challenges to your argument, as most of TOL knows, that you cannot answer, to defend your satanic argument. And you satanically spam, to everyone, that you are the only bible believer on TOL, because we don't believe your satanic, demonic "interpretation" of the bible, so stuff your deceit, you wicked fraud.
You just lied, again, habitual liar.
Tell us how you say that you sin, when there is no sin debt to be incurred by you, since, according to you, there is no longer God's holy law in existence, it being destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago, which defines sin, and thus the resulting sin debt, and penalty.
Tell us how Christ can die for your/our sins, if there is no law, it being made void, defining the sin, and resulting sin debt, penalty?
ANSWER, Pate.
Tell us why you deny that Christ was our substitute, taking our judgement, condemnation in our place, denying substitutionary atonement, and instead assert, satanically, that he destroyed the law, so that he need not die in our place, taking our judgment, condemnation, as there is no condemnation, judgement, for which he must die, as there is no law.
He won't.
glorydaz
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Moses wasn't in charge, and Paul scolded the assembly for permitting it to go on.
1 Cor. 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
You are another one that does not believe the Bible.
The scripture plainly says, "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, EVEN THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS contained in the ordinances" Ephesians 2:15.
You and John W. both suffer from the same thing. Spiritually dead as a rock syndrome.
glorydaz
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I've read it. Many are "called a brother", but are actually false brethren. 2 Corinthians 11:26 Galatians 2:4
1 Cor. 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
glorydaz
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This reminds me of the way you read Romans 10:4.
Romans 10:4KJV
4 For CHRIST IF THE END OF THE LAW for righteousness to every one that believeth.
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You are a habitual liar.
You misunderstand that verse and abuse it like many other.
Please show ANYWHERE else that the law is called "he law of commandments contained in ordinances". This actually refers to the DEBT.
Romans 7 says that we "are dead TO THE LAW by the body of Christ".
How can we be dead to something that does not exist?
You are wrong Mr Judgment.
=satanic spam that he litters to everyone
No,it does not "plainly" say that, you habitual liar-you and your father the devil's interpretation, says that.
No, it does not "plainly say" that God's perfect law was abolished, deceiver, despite your spam, posting verses in isolation, deleting 3/4 of the bible, including, where it "plainly" says:
Matthew 5:17 KJV Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Psalms 111 KJV
7 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure.
8 They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.
....to "prove" his doctrine of demons."
He corrupts, perverts both Ephesians 2:15 KJV, Colossians 2:14 KJV, to prop up his satanic assertion that the perfect, holy, just, good, not void law of God, which reflects His character, is no longer in existence.
Thus, Pate, on record, asserts that Christ died in vain, there was no reason to die, as He did not need to die to pay our IOU/sin debt, as all the LORD God had to do, was destroy/abolish/make void/eliminate the law, so there would not be a sin debt/IOU. Thus, he then,like the devil attempts to ...
He satanically delete "the handwriting of ordinances" of Colossians 2:14 KJV, replacing it with "law/ordinances," thus perverting, corrupting the scriptures, making it look like Paul says that Christ blotted out, made void, the law/ordinances, making it look like Paul is saying that the law/ordinances are contrary/against us, not for our benefit, instead of Paul saying that the sin debt/IOU was blotted out, as that is what is contrary to us, against us, as Paul asserts that the law is perfect, good, holy, just, spiritual, not void, in Romans 11, and the problem is with man, and the sin debt/IOU for breaking a good, holy, spiritual law, not the law itself.
Pate says the opposite, asserting that the problem is with the law, as it is not prefect/good/holy/spiritual,as he asserts that it causes us to sin, as it is sin, and the problem is not with man/him, and he asserts that the solution is to assert that Christ came to destroy/abolish/blot out the law, not to die for man's breaking the good, holy, spiritual, law of God.
He keeps satanically spamming this made up slop, that Col. 2:13-14 KJV has God's holy laws in view, being nailed to the cross. I, and others, have corrected you on it, over, and over, and yet you keep asserting this satanic "doctrine." One more time, to protect the sheep/babes, from your lies:
What was nailed to the cross is described as “the handwriting of requirements"-that was against us, which was contrary to us.” Because “ordinances” sounds like “law,” some, like sloppy Pate, twist the meaning of “nailed it to the cross” into Paul saying the force of the law of God ended at the death of the Lord Jesus Christ.
The writ of charges...
In using the words “handwriting of requirements … contrary to us … nailed it to the cross,” Paul was describing the record of our sins, the indictment that required the penalty of death.
No, the indictments against believers, the charges against believers, the legal indebtedness against believers – was what was dropped, and nailed to the cross at the Lord Jesus Christ's death, rather than the law itself, which is consistently characterized in Scripture as eternal, and good...To wit:
Romans 7 KJV
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
“handwriting,”=a memorandum of debt, "a writing by hand" used in public and private contracts.
The wages of our sins—our debt—is death (Romans 6:23). The Lord Jesus Christ was willing to pay that debt by dying in our place, thus blotting out the record of our debt and pardoning our sins.
Survey the "death warrant" against us, because of our sin/sins is the sign that Pilate had nailed to the cross upon which the Lord Jesus Christ was crucified. John 19:19-22 KJV-It was customary to publish a writ of charges against the condemned, and the board above the Lord Jesus Christ's head was inscribed with the charges for which the Jewish authorities demanded His death. Thus, it was a Roman custom, to write the name of the condemned person and his crime on a plaque to be placed above his head at the execution. Survey Mark 15:26 KJV-"superscription of his accusation."
26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, The King Of The Jews.
The charges removed-the meaning, then, of Colossians 2:13-14 KJV, based upon the immediate and the broader context is: You gentile believers had a death sentence against you due to your sin/sins-here are the charges............... But through the dbr, everything that one time could have been held against you has been removed.
The law against believers? No, it wasn’t God’s law that was against believers; it was the sins that they committed, as defined by that same holy, good law!. "the handwriting of ordinances that was against us,"= anything written by hand, but can more specifically apply to a legal document, bond or note of debt, was against us!!!!
Paul is relaying that the LORD God has "wiped out," removed, "nailed to the cross," through the body of Christ , representing mankind's guilt, the instrument for the remembrance of sin. The legal basis of this instrument was the "binding statutes," Col. 2:14 KJV, but what the LORD God destroyed on the cross was not the legal ground, the law, for our entanglement into sin, but the written record of our sins. By destroying the record of sins, the LORD God removed the possibility of a charge ever being made again against those who have been forgiven-a dead man is not under jurisdiction to the law.
" Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us,"
The above-a handwritten acknowledgement or note of debt, something like an I.O.U. When the debt was paid in full, the handwriting was invalidated by piercing it with something sharp like a nail.
This "handwriting" was also used in the case of the crucifixion or punishment of a criminal. All the charges of which the person had been found guilty, were written on a piece of parchment, and nailed to the cross on which the person convicted of those crimes would be crucified. Everyone could then see why he was hanging there and what he had done to deserve such a cruel punishment.This written indictment/charge/accusation are seen in John 19:19-20: accusations that were hung on the cross, on which the Lord Jesus Christ hung:
19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was Jesus Of Nazareth The King Of The Jews.
20 This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.
The "accusing witness," so to speak, against the sinner, the record book of his sins, the certificate of debt, or book of debt, was removed/nailed. The Lord Jesus Christ has "erased" it, removed it out of the court, out of the witness chair of the accuser. Not only is this record of our sins removed, but it is also "nailed to the cross" in the sense that the Lord Jesus Christ took our sins upon himself, and paid the penalty for them...Survey 2 Cor. 5:21 KJV.
When we talk about "nailing it to his cross", that is not the law itself, but the curse of the law, or the penalties for disobeying the Law. It was the penalty of the broken law which He rendered inoperative, not the law itself.
In that time period when a man was charged with a crime the charges against him were written down on papyrus. If he was found not guilty the papyrus was then washed down with water, removing or blotting out those charges against him, to confirm his acquittal. This abolished the written charges against the man. This is the what is referred to in "blotting out of ordinances against us" that were nailed to the Stake, not the Law itself.
The law is still God's standard of righteousness and all the requirements for the broken law remain unchanged, apart from Him.
Again-the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--it does not signify the laws that are to be obeyed--only the penalty.
The certificate of debt was wiped away and nailed to the cross.
Moreover, pardoning someone for committing a capital crime, doesn’t do away with the law that was broken. If anything, it shows that the law carries force, for without the pardon, the criminal would die!
In the same way, the law of God carries force since breaking it (committing sin) requires the death penalty. The law is that powerful, that important. It is holy. People aren’t saved from that which was against them (the death penalty) by doing away with the law. What saves people from death is the death of the Lord Jesus Christ in the place of those who trust 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.
In fact, the wording Paul employed Colossians 2:13-14 showed that the law of God continues to carry great force. By saying the penalty demanded under the law of God was nailed to the instrument that killed the Lord Jesus Christ, Paul was showing that the law of God was still in force, still requiring death for sin.
By contrast, if the law had been brought to an abrupt end by the death of the Lord Jesus Christ, from that point on, nothing would be “against the law”-duh! Nothing could be called “sin.” Of course, we know that is not true. Sin exists, which means the law that calls it “sin” also exists!
The Lord Jesus Christ nailed to the cross what was contrary to him...
Ephesians 2:15 KJV "the law of commandments contained in ordinances;"
Colossians 2:14 KJV "the handwriting of ordinances"
Hebrews 7:16 KJV "the law of a carnal commandment"
Hebrews 9:10 KJV "carnal ordinances;"
What the Lord Jesus Christ abolished was carnal/fleshly commandments and ordinances, and hand written ordinances=that is the context..= the decrees of exclusion established by men, which were rooted in enmity between Jew & Gentile,such as “touch not, taste not, handle not”(survey Colossians 2:21 KJV), man-made social class/caste system set in place by Oral Torah, and Jewish leaders, attempting to keep a social and religious difference between Jews and Gentiles. Ordinances/decrees were laws that were man-made. Paul was referring to man-made orders, in this verse through the term “ordinance”. These “ordinances” were, yes, indeed hostile/”hate”/”enmity”, as they restrained anyone other than “Jews” worshiping God. These ordinances made a clear separation between Jew and Gentile, by elevating one above the other, to an “elite status,” to the extent where gentiles were looked down upon, scorned, and disassociated, by Jews everywhere………..
Pate, on record, deletes:
Psalms 111 KJV
7 The works of his hands are verity and judgment;all his commandments are sure.
8 They stand fast for ever and ever,and are done in truth and uprightness.
Psalm 119:152 KJV Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever.
Psalm 119:160 KJV Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
Romans 3:31 KJV Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
And hundreds of others-ON RECORD.