Reconciled to God while enemies !

[Nanja]

Amen ! Also Reconciliation and Salvation are seen to be the same when we consider what it says in Rom 11, observe first Rom 11:11

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

Here Paul writes that through national israels fall, Salvation is come to the Gentiles !

Then in Vs 15 Rom 11:15

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

Here Paul says that their casting away, which is the same as their fall in Vs 11 results in the reconciling of the World or Gentiles !

The reconciling here is the same as the Salvation in Vs 11 !

The word reconciling in Vs 15 is the greek word katallagé and literally means:

restoration to favor,reconciliation (restoration) as the resulting of Christ exactly (precisely) exchanging His righteousness (blood) for our guilt.

Thats Salvation to be put in favor with God and covered with Christ's Righteousness in exchange for Him taking their guilt and sin punishment ! Thats Salvation !

Amen! That's an excellent example! And the World that God reconciled to Himself 2 Cor. 5:19 was comprised of Israel,
the Spiritual Seed of Abraham Gen. 17:5; Gal. 3:16, the only People Christ died for Rom. 5:10, that were promised Salvation, Is. 45:17!

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[beloved57]

Amen! That's an excellent example! And the World that God reconciled to Himself 2 Cor. 5:19 was comprised of Israel,
the Spiritual Seed of Abraham Gen. 17:5; Gal. 3:16, the only People Christ died for Rom. 5:10, that were promised Salvation, Is. 45:17!

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Exactly!

 

[Interplanner]

Those in the ethne Israel could believe right now and that would be the life from the dead he meant, such as himself.

 

[beloved57]

Why Reconciled to God while being Enemies ?

Those Christ died for, unlike them He did not die for, are reconciled to God while even being enemies and unbelievers, because of Christ's death for them Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now the unbelieving world religions do not believe this great blessing that attends the Death of Christ, however it is a True fact nevertheless and here's why.

Its because by the Death and Blood of Christ alone, Gods punitive Justice against their sins has been totally satisfied, and as a result of that, despite themselves, God is 100% reconciled to them, solely by the Death of Christ, and they are totally reconciled to God, no not in themselves, but in their Surety Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ. Its just like all men in Adam before the fall were in a right relationship with God, Upright, not in themselves, but in the Upright Adam Ecc 7:29

Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man[adam] upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Because of Christ therefore, those He died for are reconciled to God and Justice can never cannot and will not charge them with anything Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

So as long as Christ died for one, whether they are a believer or not[though they shall believe in due time], they are totally reconciled to God, God reconciled to them, and no charges can ever be laid to their account, not in this world or the world to come !

 

[Nanja]

Those Christ died for, unlike them He did not die for, are reconciled to God while even being enemies and unbelievers, because of Christ's death for them Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now the unbelieving antichrist world religions do not believe this great blessing that attends the Death of Christ, however it is a True fact nevertheless and heres why.

Its because by the Death and Blood of Christ alone, Gods punitive Justice against their sins has been totally satisfied, and as a result of that, despite themselves, God is 100% reconciled to them, solely by the Death of Christ, and they are totally reconciled to God, no not in themselves, but in their Surety Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ. Its just like all men in Adam before the fall were in a right relationship with God, Upright, not in themselves, but in the Upright Adam Ecc 7:29

Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man[adam] upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Because of Christ therefore, those He died for are reconciled to God and Justice can never cannot and will not charge them with anything Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

So as long as Christ died for one, whether they are a believer or not[though they shall believe in due time], they are totally reconciled to God, God reconciled to them, and no charges can ever be laid to their account, not in this world or the world to come !

Amen!

The Elect, Christ's Sheep, given Him of the Father John 10:29
were always Blessed, and in a permanently Reconciled state with God,
Righteous in His Sight, because no sin was ever imputed to them Rom. 4:8
but was laid on Christ their Surety Head and Chief Shepherd from Everlasting.

Is. 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one
to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Praise the Lord!

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[beloved57]

Amen!

The Elect, Christ's Sheep, given Him of the Father John 10:29
were always Blessed, and in a permanently Reconciled state with God,
Righteous in His Sight, because no sin was ever imputed to them Rom. 4:8
but was laid on Christ their Surety Head and Chief Shepherd from Everlasting.

Is. 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one
to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Praise the Lord!

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Amen!

 

[beloved57]

Shall be saved by His Life !

This promise is made of all for whom Christ died and reconciled to God by His death while they were enemies Rom 5:10

¹⁰ For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

This scripture guarantees that these enemies Christ died for shall be saved by His Life ! They have been already reconciled to God, yet further blessing is promised. That they shall be saved by His[Christ] Life means that they shall be saved from being Gods enemy experientially, and that they shall believe the Truth, which is another aspect of salvation. We read of this here 2 Thess 2:13

¹³ But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

In other words its an aspect of Salvation, a Saving, to be sanctified by the Spirit unto belief of the Truth. So in essence, those enemies in Rom 5:10 who were reconciled to God by Christ's death, its promised of them that they shall be saved by Christ's Life unto belief of the Truth. Christ's Life is His Spirit being given to them He substituted for as their Surety, thats why He is as the second or last adam made a life giving Spirit 1 Cor 15:45

⁴⁵ And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening[life giving] spirit. That is His Life referred to in Rom 5:10 that they shall be saved by !

And so we know this is not true of all mankind without exception, hence Christ did not die for all mankind without exception , unless we come to embrace the heresy of universalism and make the false claim that all mankind without exception shall be saved by Christs Life !

 

[Nanja]

Shall be saved by His Life !

This promise is made of all for whom Christ died and reconciled to God by His death while they were enemies Rom 5:10

¹⁰ For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

This scripture guarantees that these enemies Christ died for shall be saved by His Life ! They have been already reconciled to God, yet further blessing is promised. That they shall be saved by His[Christ] Life means that they shall be saved from being Gods enemy experientially, and that they shall believe the Truth, which is another aspect of salvation. We read of this here 2 Thess 2:13

¹³ But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

In other words its an aspect of Salvation, a Saving, to be sanctified by the Spirit unto belief of the Truth. So in essence, those enemies in Rom 5:10 who were reconciled to God by Christ's death, its promised of them that they shall be saved by Christ's Life unto belief of the Truth. Christ's Life is His Spirit being given to them He substituted for as their Surety, thats why He is as the second or last adam made a life giving Spirit 1 Cor 15:45

⁴⁵ And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening[life giving] spirit. That is His Life referred to in Rom 5:10 that they shall be saved by !

And so we know this is not true of all mankind without exception, hence Christ did not die for all mankind without exception , unless we come to embrace the heresy of universalism and make the false claim that all mankind without exception shall be saved by Christs Life !

Amen!


No person can choose to partake of Christ's Life-Giving Power by any action of his own.

But it's a Gift of God which is received passively by all those Christ died for.

Rom. 8:14-16
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear;
but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Gal. 4:6
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.


The only portion of mankind that Christ died for are His Adopted Sons / Children Eph. 1:4-7 who were reconciled to God by their Surety Christ Jesus. So they shall be quickened by the Power of the Spirit of Christ given them during their lifetime. For they were already made Righteous / Justified in God's Sight from Everlasting 2 Cor. 5:19, 21.


Many today falsely believe that it's their own faith or believing which is the causative factor for their justification before God, but they are deceived.


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[Bright Raven]

Amen!


No person can choose to partake of Christ's Life-Giving Power by any action of his own.

But it's a Gift of God which is received passively by all those Christ died for.

Rom. 8:14-16
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear;
but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Gal. 4:6
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.


The only portion of mankind that Christ died for are His Adopted Sons / Children Eph. 1:4-7 who were reconciled to God by their Surety Christ Jesus. So they shall be quickened by the Power of the Spirit of Christ given them during their lifetime. For they were already made Righteous / Justified in God's Sight from Everlasting 2 Cor. 5:19, 21.


Many today falsely believe that it's their own faith or believing which is the causative factor for their justification before God, but they are deceived.


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Romans 10:8-13 You loose.

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed.”

12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;

13 for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Is Paul wrong?

 

[Nanja]

Romans 10:8-13 You loose.

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed.”

12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;

13 for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Is Paul wrong?

Because Belief / Faith is a Gift and Fruit of the Holy Spirit, it's not something we DO to become saved, but we do them as a result that we have become Saved and under the Power of the Holy Spirit!

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[Bright Raven]

Read the RED!

 

[Nanja]

Read the RED!

9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

Man by nature has a wicked heart Jer. 17:9. Only when God intervenes and gives one a New Heart Ezek. 36:26-27 and a New Spirit in New Birth will he be capable of confessing, believing, or doing anything whatsoever that pleases God Rom. 8:7-8!

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[God's Truth]

Man by nature has a wicked heart Jer. 17:9. Only when God intervenes and gives one a New Heart Ezek. 36:26-27 and a New Spirit in New Birth will he be capable of confessing, believing, or doing anything whatsoever that pleases God Rom. 8:7-8!

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The scriptures do not say what you claim they do.

 

[Nanja]

The scriptures do not say what you claim they do.

They certainly do, but you aren't able to receieve Truth 1 Cor. 2:14.

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[God's Truth]

They certainly do, but you aren't able to receieve Truth 1 Cor. 2:14.

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You have been ensnared.

2 Timothy 2:26 and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.


Just listen to yourself. You are going against someone for saying to believe and obey Jesus to get saved, and to stay saved.

You do not see that something is wrong with you, because you have been ensnared.

Even sense that is common escapes you.

 

[God's Truth]

Who says to the one that tells a child, "Do whatever your parents tell you to do" that they are wrong and teach falseness?

Only someone without any sense would say that. Only someone ensnared by the devil.

The Calvinists teach against those that preach believe AND OBEY. God says to do this and that, but Calvinists say, "No, we cannot, not until you save us first."

The faith alone crowd says, "No, I will believe, but not obey anything, until you save me first."

It is a false doctrine to go against obeying God, for any reason.

 

[God's Truth]

Believe and obey Jesus to be saved, and to stay saved.

How in the world can anyone go wrong by doing that?

 

[Nanja]

You have been ensnared.

2 Timothy 2:26 and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.


Just listen to yourself. You are going against someone for saying to believe and obey Jesus to get saved, and to stay saved.

You do not see that something is wrong with you, because you have been ensnared.

Even sense that is common escapes you.

To sum it up quickly, I've been reading your posts for 3 years now, in which you constistenly preach a false gospel of salvation by works of the law Gal. 1:8.

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[beloved57]

Men and Women whom Christ died for, they partake of His Saving Benefits, because Hes their Saviour, while they themselves are enemies and unbelievers. They, unlike the rest of mankind whom He did not die for, are reconciled to God, and abide in His acceptance and favor Rom 5:10, while others are under His Wrath and Condemnation while they are being enemies and unbelievers Jn 3:18,36 ! So thats how we know that some have taken part of Christ's Saving Death when enemies and unbelievers, and some have not while enemies and unbelievers, so how do you explain that ?

 

[beloved57]

To sum it up quickly, I've been reading your posts for 3 years now, in which you consistently preach a false gospel of salvation by works of the law Gal. 1:8.

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Sure you right !