Reconciled to God while enemies !

beloved57

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Nanja said:
Because Belief / Faith is a Gift and Fruit of the Holy Spirit, it's not something we DO to become saved, but we do them as a result that we have become Saved and under the Power of the Holy Spirit!

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He like all false teachers, teach salvation by works, by what a person does !
 
Nanja

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beloved57 said:
Men and Women whom Christ died for, they partake of His Saving Benefits, because Hes their Saviour, while they themselves are enemies and unbelievers. They, unlike the rest of mankind whom He did not die for, are reconciled to God, and abide in His acceptance and favor Rom 5:10, while others are under His Wrath and Condemnation while they are being enemies and unbelievers Jn 3:18,36 ! So thats how we know that some have taken part of Christ's Saving Death when enemies and unbelievers, and some have not while enemies and unbelievers, so how do you explain that ?
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That's a perfect description of Christ's Sheep He died for John 10:11-15,
and the cursed goats which remain permanently under God's Wrath John 3:36; Mat. 25:33, 41.

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beloved57

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No conditions to be reconciled !

Not all men are reconciled to God by Christ's death while being enemies, and thats simply because Christ's death was not for everyone without exception. Thats why some are reconciled to God while being enemies and unbelievers Rom 5:10 and why some are under Gods wrath and condemnation while being enemies and unbelievers Jn 3:18,36 !

There is simply only one explanation for this, Christ died for some who are enemies and unbelievers and did not die for others who are enemies and unbelievers !

The enemies and unbelievers that Christ died for are reconciled to God by it, did not perform any conditions whatsoever, because they were actively enemies and unbelievers, So Christ fulfilled all the conditions necessary for them to be reconciled to God while being enemies and unbelievers !
 
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beloved57 said:
No conditions to be reconciled !

Not all men are reconciled to God by Christ's death while being enemies, and thats simply because Christ's death was not for everyone without exception. Thats why some are reconciled to God while being enemies and unbelievers Rom 5:10 and why some are under Gods wrath and condemnation while being enemies and unbelievers Jn 3:18,36 !

There is simply only one explanation for this, Christ died for some who are enemies and unbelievers and did not die for others who are enemies and unbelievers !

The enemies and unbelievers that Christ died for are reconciled to God by it, did not perform any conditions whatsoever, because they were actively enemies and unbelievers, So Christ fulfilled all the conditions necessary for them to be reconciled to God while being enemies and unbelievers !
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Amen!

The Reconciled ones Rom. 5:10 shall Believe on Christ because it was God's Purpose in Election 2 Tim. 1:9, that His Sheep He died for John 10:11, 15 would never have any sin imputed to them, but were laid on Christ their Surety Heb. 7:22 instead Eph. 1:4-7; Is. 53:6; Rom. 4:8. Thus, they were delivered from the wrath to come 1 Thes. 1:10.


But all the others, the goats, are not given to believe on Christ John 10:26; He never knew them Mat. 7:23, that's why they were condemned already, for the wages of sin is death Rom. 6:23.


Mat. 25:31-34, 41
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

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beloved57

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Amen!

The Reconciled ones Rom. 5:10 shall Believe on Christ because it was God's Purpose in Election 2 Tim. 1:9, that His Sheep He died for John 10:11, 15 would never have any sin imputed to them, but were laid on Christ their Surety Heb. 7:22 instead Eph. 1:4-7; Is. 53:6; Rom. 4:8. Thus, they were delivered from the wrath to come 1 Thes. 1:10.


But all the others, the goats, are not given to believe on Christ John 10:26; He never knew them Mat. 7:23, that's why they were condemned already, for the wages of sin is death Rom. 6:23.


Mat. 25:31-34, 41
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

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Amen!
 
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Reconciliation by Christs death is not just unilateral !

The terrible mistake of false religion is to believe and teach that Christs death is only unilateral in its effect, but that is a grave
mistake. You see, that makes the death of Christ falling short of reconciling , bringing man to God, which the scripture teaches that it does. Peter writes of the death of Christ this fact 1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

See, His suffering for our sins was for the purpose of bringing us to God ! He by it, leads us to God. It also :


  1. to render one acceptable to God

    It does that which God told cain that if he did well he would be accepted Gen 4:7

    7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted?



    Well Christ death, for all whom He suffered and died for causes them to be accepted of God, without them doing anything !

    Christ's reconciling death will also cause us to come to God in being saved to the uttermost Heb 7:25

    25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

    Notice " them that come to God BY HIM ! Meaning His reconciling work which brings them to God 1 Pet 3:18 !

    Paul writes also Col 1: 21,22a

    21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled. How ?

    22a 22 In the body of his flesh through death,

    So those who teach that Christ's death effected only a unilateral reconciliation, they teach lies, they teach ignorantly, and do Christ's death accomplishment a disservice !
 
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beloved57 said:
Reconciliation by Christs death is not just unilateral !

The terrible mistake of false religion is to believe and teach that Christs death is only unilateral in its effect, but that is a grave
mistake. You see, that makes the death of Christ falling short of reconciling , bringing man to God, which the scripture teaches that it does. Peter writes of the death of Christ this fact 1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

See, His suffering for our sins was for the purpose of bringing us to God ! He by it, leads us to God. It also :


  1. to render one acceptable to God


  1. It does that which God told cain that if he did well he would be accepted Gen 4:7

    7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted?

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  1. That perfectly describes antichrist freewill religion, doing something well in the flesh, to get themselves saved!
    Well Christ death, for all whom He suffered and died for causes them to be accepted of God, without them doing anything !

    Christ's reconciling death will also cause us to come to God in being saved to the uttermost Heb 7:25

    25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

    Notice " them that come to God BY HIM ! Meaning His reconciling work which brings them to God 1 Pet 3:18 !

    Paul writes also Col 1: 21,22a

    21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled. How ?

    22a 22 In the body of his flesh through death,

    So those who teach that Christ's death effected only a unilateral reconciliation, they teach lies, they teach ignorantly, and do Christ's death accomplishment a disservice !
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Amen! Christ's death had a twofold effect, in that it effectively reconciled, and brings back to God all His Elect, His Sheep He died for John 10:11,15, which sinned in their federal head Adam when he sinned. And It's not contingent on anything they do, but solely according to God's Eternal Purpose for all those chosen in Union with Christ before the foundation 2 Tim. 1:9.

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beloved57

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That perfectly describes antichrist freewill religion, doing something well in the flesh, to get themselves saved!









Amen! Christ's death had a twofold effect, in that it effectively reconciled, and brings back to God all His Elect, His Sheep He died for John 10:11,15, which sinned in their federal head Adam when he sinned. And It's not contingent on anything they do, but solely according to God's Eternal Purpose for all those chosen in Union with Christ before the foundation 2 Tim. 1:9.

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beloved57 said:
Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


All for whom Christ died, have been reconciled to God, by His death alone, not by their obedience, not by their faith, not by their repentance, but even while they were being enemies, unbelievers, children of wrath as others BY NATURE, now if this be the case, their being reconciled, they cannot be under condemnation and wrath as others Jn 3:18,36 even while being unbelievers !

You see, they cannot be both condemned and under wrath as enemies and reconciled to God as enemies at the same time !
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Who are the enemies of God?
 
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You quoted a post of mine did you read and understand the points made?

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You are evading questions concerning
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beloved57 said:
Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


All for whom Christ died, have been reconciled to God, by His death alone, not by their obedience, not by their faith, not by their repentance, but even while they were being enemies, unbelievers, children of wrath as others BY NATURE, now if this be the case, their being reconciled, they cannot be under condemnation and wrath as others Jn 3:18,36 even while being unbelievers !

You see, they cannot be both condemned and under wrath as enemies and reconciled to God as enemies at the same time !
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Reconciled while enemies is about the GENTILES.

Paul is explaining that Jesus did not just die for the Jews, the Jews who performed the commanded various laws and regulations. Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, even for the sins of the enemies of God. The Gentiles were the enemies.

Colossians 1:21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior.

Reconciled while enemies is about the GENTILES not having to become a Jew first and get CIRCUMCISED.

Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,


The GENTILES WERE ENEMIES BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT CIRCUMCISED IN THE FLESH. They did not obey those commands from God.

Jesus still saved them WHILE THEY WERE UNCIRCUMCISED ENEMIES.

God does not save UNBELIEVERS.
 
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