Rape victims

[Tambora]

I think it is more savage to watch people I have known for years tear each other apart because one poster has posited divisive, emotionally charged subjects with what seems to be the intent to sow discord....mission accomplished! It is just sad really...

Yep, it's sad.

But how do you think a rape victim should be treated?
With blame or compassion?

 

[Rusha]

I don't think the retards want to teach about consent.

Seems they have selective standards which disqualifies them from logical reasoning ....

 

[intojoy]

it's been said before, but this kind of thinking no longer holds as a universal, because feminists are redefining rape in ways that it never was before

in the following case, what has the woman lost that can never be replaced ?

Herewith, a Philadelphia magazine report about Swarthmore College, where in 2013 a student “was in her room with a guy with whom she’d been hooking up for three months”: “They’d now decided — mutually, she thought — just to be friends. When he ended up falling asleep on her bed, she changed into pajamas and climbed in next to him. Soon, he was putting his arm around her and taking off her clothes. ‘I basically said, “No, I don’t want to have sex with you.” And then he said, “OK, that’s fine” and stopped. . . . And then he started again a few minutes later, taking off my panties, taking off his boxers. I just kind of laid there and didn’t do anything — I had already said no. I was just tired and wanted to go to bed. I let him finish. I pulled my panties back on and went to sleep.’” Six weeks later, the woman reported that she had been raped.

This case is called date rape which in my view is not rape.

 

[rocketman]

Yep, it's sad.

But how do you think a rape victim should be treated?
With blame or compassion?

Compassion of course Tam, rape is a terrible thing. I do not believe that any person can be held responsible for the actions others take without their consent. I think what seems to be the sticking point in this discussion for all parties involved is this: Can someone put themselves in a situation where something bad can happen? I would say yes, they can...it does not mean the person is at fault for the result but, if we dismiss our own bad decisions which led to something bad happening to us how are we to learn from it? Not all situations are the same either are they? sometimes things happen randomly without warning even when we have not put ourselves in a bad situation, no? The rapist, the murderer, the whatever??? are always wrong, and the victim is always the victim no matter what decision they make in a given situation and they deserve our empathy not an "I told you so".

 

[ok doser]

Yep, it's sad.

But how do you think a rape victim should be treated?

in a manner deserving of their situation

if they are shattered or traumatized, then they need compassion

if, like Josephine, they are seeking to place blame everywhere except on their own choices/actions/behaviors then they need a sharp wakeup call

 

[Greg Jennings]

obviously, she was very traumatized by the experience

Clearly you're unaware of the shame that rape victims feel. That's why they are so reluctant to say anything sometimes: they feel it's embarrassing, mostly thanks to guys like yourself

 

[Tambora]

Compassion of course Tam, rape is a terrible thing. I do not believe that any person can be held responsible for the actions others take without their consent. I think what seems to be the sticking point in this discussion for all parties involved is this: Can someone put themselves in a situation where something bad can happen? I would say yes, they can...it does not mean the person is at fault for the result but, if we dismiss our own bad decisions which led to something bad happening to us how are we to learn from it? Not all situations are the same either are they? sometimes things happen randomly without warning even when we have not put ourselves in a bad situation, no? The rapist, the murderer, the whatever??? are always wrong, and the victim is always the victim no matter what decision they make in a given situation and they deserve our empathy not an "I told you so".

Thank you.

 

[bybee]

in the scenario as presented, can you explain to me why the little slut shouldn't feel shame or embarrassment?

You do not feel any shame or embarrassment for being the colossal monitor lizard that you are? Drooling poison.

 

[ok doser]

Clearly you're unaware of the shame that rape victims feel. That's why they are so reluctant to say anything sometimes: they feel it's embarrassing, mostly thanks to guys like yourself

in the scenario as presented, can you explain to me why the little slut shouldn't feel shame or embarrassment?

 

[patrick jane]

Compassion of course Tam, rape is a terrible thing.

Compassion with a touch of reality, and understanding everything leading up to said rape.

 

[Greg Jennings]

in the scenario as presented, can you explain to me why the little slut shouldn't feel shame or embarrassment?

The Josephine one? "The little slut," as you've so eloquently put it, should feel foolish for not being more cautious, but no not shame or embarrassment because some messed up people did horrible, unjustifiable things to her.

The shame is squarely on the shoulders of her rapists

 

[Tambora]

Compassion with a touch of reality, and understanding everything leading up to said rape.

The comparison is that rape is NEVER deserved, no matter what happened prior to the rape.

If one cannot understand that, then they are part of the problem.

 

[Tambora]

The Josephine one? "The little slut," as you've so eloquently put it, should feel foolish for not being more cautious, but no not shame or embarrassment because some messed up people did horrible, unjustifiable things to her.

The shame is squarely on the shoulders of her rapists

 

[ok doser]

The Josephine one?

it is a bit confusing, isn't it? :chuckle:

no, i meant this little slut:

Herewith, a Philadelphia magazine report about Swarthmore College, where in 2013 a student “was in her room with a guy with whom she’d been hooking up for three months”: “They’d now decided — mutually, she thought — just to be friends. When he ended up falling asleep on her bed, she changed into pajamas and climbed in next to him. Soon, he was putting his arm around her and taking off her clothes. ‘I basically said, “No, I don’t want to have sex with you.” And then he said, “OK, that’s fine” and stopped. . . . And then he started again a few minutes later, taking off my panties, taking off his boxers. I just kind of laid there and didn’t do anything — I had already said no. I was just tired and wanted to go to bed. I let him finish. I pulled my panties back on and went to sleep.’” Six weeks later, the woman reported that she had been raped.

as far as the Josephine scenario goes, I was pondering it last night and while I might, if I were Francine, tell her angrily "you deserved to get raped!", i wasn't as comfortable with that last night

not sure why

i'd have been comfortable telling her that she deserved to get assaulted


:think:

 

[ok doser]

The comparison is that rape is NEVER deserved, no matter what happened prior to the rape.

If one cannot understand that, then they are part of the problem.

you don't think a convicted pedophile deserves to get raped in prison?

 

[CabinetMaker]

This case is called date rape which in my view is not rape.

So, no doesn't always mean no. Under what conditions does no mean yes aside from rape?

 

[Tambora]

as far as the Josephine scenario goes, I was pondering it last night and while I might, if I were Francine, tell her angrily "you deserved to get raped!", i wasn't as comfortable with that last night

not sure why

i'd have been comfortable telling her that she deserved to get assaulted


:think:

We already know what you would say to her.
You have already told us.

asked for it
chose it
deserved it

 

[Greg Jennings]

it is a bit confusing, isn't it? :chuckle:

no, i meant this little slut:

Herewith, a Philadelphia magazine report about Swarthmore College, where in 2013 a student “was in her room with a guy with whom she’d been hooking up for three months”: “They’d now decided — mutually, she thought — just to be friends. When he ended up falling asleep on her bed, she changed into pajamas and climbed in next to him. Soon, he was putting his arm around her and taking off her clothes. ‘I basically said, “No, I don’t want to have sex with you.” And then he said, “OK, that’s fine” and stopped. . . . And then he started again a few minutes later, taking off my panties, taking off his boxers. I just kind of laid there and didn’t do anything — I had already said no. I was just tired and wanted to go to bed. I let him finish. I pulled my panties back on and went to sleep.’” Six weeks later, the woman reported that she had been raped.

as far as the Josephine scenario goes, I was pondering it last night and while I might, if I were Francine, tell her angrily "you deserved to get raped!", i wasn't as comfortable with that last night

not sure why

i'd have been comfortable telling her that she deserved to get assaulted


:think:

No. The woman in your article should not press rape charges because her boyfriend didn't force himself on her the second time, and since they'd been dating for a while and presumably had already had sex before.

If she'd pushed him off and he'd pushed her back down and forcefully raped her, that's a different story. But she simply let him finish so she could go to bed. She didn't resist

 

[CabinetMaker]

it's been said before, but this kind of thinking no longer holds as a universal, because feminists are redefining rape in ways that it never was before

in the following case, what has the woman lost that can never be replaced ?

Herewith, a Philadelphia magazine report about Swarthmore College, where in 2013 a student “was in her room with a guy with whom she’d been hooking up for three months”: “They’d now decided — mutually, she thought — just to be friends. When he ended up falling asleep on her bed, she changed into pajamas and climbed in next to him. Soon, he was putting his arm around her and taking off her clothes. ‘I basically said, “No, I don’t want to have sex with you.” And then he said, “OK, that’s fine” and stopped. . . . And then he started again a few minutes later, taking off my panties, taking off his boxers. I just kind of laid there and didn’t do anything — I had already said no. I was just tired and wanted to go to bed. I let him finish. I pulled my panties back on and went to sleep.’” Six weeks later, the woman reported that she had been raped.

Her dignity will never be the same. She won't feel safe leading to near constant state of fear. Lost her trust for men. She will never. E the same again.

 

[Tambora]

you don't think a convicted pedophile deserves to get raped in prison?

Do you think a slut deserves to be raped?

Oh, never mind, you have already said:
asked for it
chose it
deserved it


I will be praying for your hateful perverted troubled soul.