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:chuckle:How am I supposed to know which is more likely? It would depend on which group of believers you showed it too. Take that picture to Bob Enyart's church and you'll 100% doctrinally correct answers.
:chuckle:How am I supposed to know which is more likely? It would depend on which group of believers you showed it too. Take that picture to Bob Enyart's church and you'll 100% doctrinally correct answers.
Miles Stanford was not the most consistent dispensationalist but he nailed this.
:chuckle:
He was staunchly an Acts 2 Dispensationalist, which is where almost all of his inconsistency stems from. Back is 2000, I was actually in the process of writing him a letter concerning this when I heard that he had passed away. I'm going to have to go find that letter and read it again.
Anyway, while Stanford made some mistakes, his "Principles of Spiritual Growth" is brilliant. The first time a read it, it glazed my eyes over. I read it again after reading Bob Enyart's "The Plot" and it had turned into the most amazing book I had ever read. There is so much of the gospel that is simply invisible to people who do not rightly divide the Word of Truth.
Resting in Him,
Clete
Yup. But just consider how many churchgoers around the world are banking eternity on having given something to God.
What I will agree with you on is that bringing up the issue is a wise thing to do. If you saw this picture on the wall of a church you were visiting, using it as a spring board to communicate the issues you've brought up here would be a good thing.
Well, it happens to be the very gospel itself.
Here, read this (it won't take long I promise). It's just a short little chapter of a larger work call "Principles of Spiritual Growth" by Miles J. Stanford. It not only explains "Resting in Him" is happens to be directly pertinent to this thread.
No, you misunderstood the question.
Eph. 1:4 is perhaps the purpose - the goal but the question I'm asking is about the cause.
What caused God to pick one person to be elect and not some other person?
I hope things have changed there, but when I went there the gospel of Christ/the cross was not preached as the power of God even though that is what Paul preached (Romans 1:16 KJV, 1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV). Rather, Romans 10:9-10 was presented as the gospel. It's a gospel, but the gospel of God (Romans 1:1-14 KJV), not the gospel of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV). Believing WHO Jesus Christ is and that God raised Him from the dead is not the same good news as the WHY of the cross that saves today. There's a whole mess of people out there who believe WHO Christ is, but are not trusting Him believing WHY He died on the cross for them as the means by which we are saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV). And as to doctrine being 100 % accurate there, that cannot be as we are not graffed in to anything: neither Israel or the Body of Christ yet Bob teaches that we are graffed in.Well it's very likely true! It's not a huge number of people but they are all very well biblically educated.
Context is king and Romans 10:9-10 KJV is what Israel failed to do. It is not the gospel of our salvation. And how is it that Israel confessed their sins?
HIMSELF!
Job 23:13-14
13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.
14 For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.
God chose a People for Himself in Christ before the world began according to His Purpose and Grace 2 Tim. 1:9,
And He also made the wicked as He so Purposed:
Prov. 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Is. 46:9-10
9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure
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Do you see how that does away with a man's freewill choice?
It is only God's Will that is Free and Sovereign and controls and determines all others' will!
Dan. 4:35
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
How can an inhabitant of the earth that has been reputed as nothing have been given a freewill to determine his own eternal destiny?
Impossible.
Their own will is nothing compared to God's Will!
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I hope things have changed there, but when I went there the gospel of Christ/the cross was not preached as the power of God even though that is what Paul preached (Romans 1:16 KJV, 1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV). Rather, Romans 10:9-10 was presented as the gospel. It's a gospel, but the gospel of God (Romans 1:1-14 KJV), not the gospel of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV). Believing WHO Jesus Christ is and that God raised Him from the dead is not the same good news as the WHY of the cross that saves today. There's a whole mess of people out there who believe WHO Christ is, but are not trusting Him believing WHY He died on the cross for them as the means by which we are saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV). And as to doctrine being 100 % accurate there, that cannot be as we are not graffed in to anything: neither Israel or the Body of Christ yet Bob teaches that we are graffed in.
Just the facts!
That's why I chuckled at the comment.No one is 100% accurate.
Not even you.
We speak the same thing as we are beseeched by Paul (1 Corinthians 1:10 KJV). PTL! Glory to God!STP might think you are, though :chuckle:
That's exactly why I brought it up here.
Bringing it up in a church where L.S. is preached will get you shunned and booted forthwith. Ask me how I know that.
Ok, I read this far: "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God." (Miles J. Stanford)
So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (Hebrews 4:9 NASB)
I agree that there remains a millennial Sabbath for God's people, but I wasn't sure that is what you were referring to.
HIMSELF!
Seriously?
You got one sentence into the chapter and that's what you gleaned?
I hope things have changed there, but when I went there the gospel of Christ/the cross was not preached as the power of God even though that is what Paul preached (Romans 1:16 KJV, 1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV). Rather, Romans 10:9-10 was presented as the gospel. It's a gospel, but the gospel of God ( KJV), not the gospel of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV). Believing WHO Jesus Christ is and that God raised Him from the dead is not the same good news as the WHY of the cross that saves today. There's a whole mess of people out there who believe WHO Christ is, but are not trusting Him believing WHY He died on the cross for them as the means by which we are saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV). And as to doctrine being 100 % accurate there, that cannot be as we are not grafted in to anything: neither Israel or the Body of Christ yet Bob teaches that we are graffed in.
Just the facts!
Same question with this sticker.
What will most people think that means?