Speakin' French now, huh?
pacifism for true Jesus' followers.
- Thread starter meshak
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Speakin' French now, huh?
hello there
Fess up....Bybee is swimmin' with the fishes...You had her wacked.
Shalom.
Meshak,
What you have done with your opening post is admirable. I have an interest in what is pacifism as compared with courts of law, the death penalty, and not going to war (not deciding to go to war), etc.... You have related Jesus' words to not joining the military. There is much that could be or might be discussed.
Can I ask you if you support the idea of justice of any kind? Or, do you leave all of this to God and Jesus? I also understand that you are a woman. This means that you are not to teach or exercise authorium over a man. Still, you are doing what you feel that you can at this time.
I am a Jew, of Israel, as a proselyte and a convert. I read, study, observe, and teach Torah. I am also a citizen of the United States of America, where I live, and where I was born.
I accept the TaNaKh and Matthew through Revelation. See Matthew 5:17-20. Yeshua brought the new covenant in His blood, promised by God through the prophet Jeremiah, for the house of Israel and the house of Judah. It is God's law written on minds and hearts.
Shalom.
Jacob
Meshak,
What you have done with your opening post is admirable. I have an interest in what is pacifism as compared with courts of law, the death penalty, and not going to war (not deciding to go to war), etc.... You have related Jesus' words to not joining the military. There is much that could be or might be discussed.
Can I ask you if you support the idea of justice of any kind? Or, do you leave all of this to God and Jesus? I also understand that you are a woman. This means that you are not to teach or exercise authorium over a man. Still, you are doing what you feel that you can at this time.
I am a Jew, of Israel, as a proselyte and a convert. I read, study, observe, and teach Torah. I am also a citizen of the United States of America, where I live, and where I was born.
I accept the TaNaKh and Matthew through Revelation. See Matthew 5:17-20. Yeshua brought the new covenant in His blood, promised by God through the prophet Jeremiah, for the house of Israel and the house of Judah. It is God's law written on minds and hearts.
Shalom.
Jacob
whats your point, Jacob?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
that's a question, not a statement
another playing game comment.
You are on ignore.
Your comments don't worth reading and replying.
good day.
Shalom.
I don't know. Accept all of scripture. I grew up a pacifist, but came to accept the death penalty for murder before Osama Bin Laden died relative to if he was responsible for the death of anyone in the attack on the World Trade Centers. But in this I know of no court of law that tried him, and even then a court would be within this nation if a murder was committed here. We have cities. He was apparently responsible for the attacks, but he didn't even live here.
Shalom.
Jacob
This thread is about Christians advocating or joining the military.
Do you think Jesus approves of His followers engage in world affair such as war?
You seem to portray yourself knowledgeable of the Bible.
This question should not be so hard question for you.
Shalom.
I know that Jesus is to be the Judge, in the end, of all people. I know that there are different views that people have from the Bible. You mentioned Christians, and war would reach to nations, or people, other than our own. Do men protect and defend their own (women and children) when there is an attacker? What about allowing something to happen and letting the courts deal with it? I think I do not know how this works, and I have no wife or children. Did I feel like I had to do something after the attacks? No and yes. But this wasn't even an attack on my family. You are a woman. You should not have to do anything.
Shalom.
Jacob
So you think Jesus approve of His followers to advocate or join the military?
Did you read the OP?
In the Parable of the Good Samaritan, Jesus connects inaction with guilt and Action with following His teaching.
Your profile says that you live in Texas. Texas is awesome because it has the best gun freedom and is the most pro military state in the US. Why do you preach pacifism, but hypocritically dwell safely under the Military and Civilian protection of the MOST MILITANT STATE in the USA?
Also, your profile says that you are not a Jehovah's Witness, but are simply "non-trin".
Do you publicly denounce the Watch Tower?
marhig
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Hi Jacob,
I believe that the laws of this world will judge, and they will have the death penalty etc. But i personally don't agree with killing anyone, God said thou shalt but kill, so I don't believe that those born of God should put their hands to violence in any way, the only time we should do so is to defend our families or others if we have no choice. For instance, if I saw a suicide bomber about to commit the act, and I could stop him by taking his life, I would. And I hope that God would forgive me, but I wouldn't join an army and go to war, or join anything where I might have to take a life or train to do so.
I'm not against the military, but I believe that the military is of the world and the world will take care of itself. Those born of God are here to do the will of God and bare witness to the truth. Jesus taught us to love our enemy, bless those that curse us, and do good to those that hate us and pray for those that despitefully use and persecute us. So, that's what I believe that we should do to follow him, and in doing so, we don't take up arms.
Paul said that our weapons of warfare are not carnal. We are to be covered with the armour of God, and fight with the sword of the Spirit which is the word of God.
[MENTION=5582]Jacob[/MENTION] know's Jesus teachings far better than you.
Matthew 23 pretty much belongs to you now. I'll try to remember to provide a verse a day for you. Are you now Jesus that you can tell a person that they don't understand Jesus?
I believe you mean to say that you are GOD and that you know who does and doesn't know Jesus teachings. Could you please explain why you judge as if you were God?
Shalom.
I believe that the discussion of pacifism does not need to involve the military. However, choosing something like the militia is different from attempting to fight a war or bring about justice without any legal authority. Does an individual have a right to be a witness, for example? A court has a Judge, and maybe a Jury.
As a Lifeguard I saved lives, and did not take them. I am not in the military and did not join the military because I would not be able to kill anyone and didn't want to be associated with anyone who did. This meant that I could not be in the military even if I wanted to fly a jet without weapons.
Shalom.
Jacob
Hi Marhig,
Should we disarm and disband the military and should police officers stop carrying weapons of any kind?